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    Who the fuck cares if they’re black white gay straight trans, just so the fucking job well. That’s all anyone wants.

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      Oooohhhh, a lot of people reeeaaaally care. They shouldn’t, but they really do.

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          Their bigotry or mental health doesn’t make their votes worth less. You can cry about their sensibilities all you want but you need those votes to win regardless. Welcome to democracy.

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      Which is why the do-nothing Secretary of Transportation and McKinsey grad who got the job to repay a favor is the wrong choice.

      If anything, it could be awful for LGBTQ+ people if the first representation in the White House is a corporatist small town mayor who keeps failing upwards.

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      Anybody that wants to know they have a representative that… represents them. Particularly for those that have never had someone of their class act as a representative.

      There are several experiences/issues I wouldn’t have the first clue about good intentioned or not. To say ‘muh, just do the job well’ fails to appreciate that one cannot ‘do it well’ without intimately understanding under-represented constituents issues through… experience.

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    I actually really like buttigieg, but he’s wrong. A woman of color AND a gay man? I wish we lived in that country but we don’t live in that country.

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      Yep, maybe after boomers and gen x have died off sure, but this country is still battling itself on lgbtq rights.

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        I think this is a common misconception about how electability works in a first-past-the-post voting system. There is no benefit to going with a compromise position or reaching out to moderates. The number of people who can be persuaded to vote one way or another is miniscule. The number of people who can be persuaded to vote or not to vote is massive.

        If people are excited or scared, they come out to vote. With disenfranchisement primarily focused on progressive and minority voters, there’s not much left to gain in scaring regressive conservatives more, they already vote at high numbers.

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          While the last part about voting (being persuaded to vote or not vote) is true I think you overestimate the ven diagram of people who are both homophobic and racist. There are plenty who are one and not the other.

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    I love Buttigieg, would definitely vote for him, but this would make me anxious. We already have black woman running and there are a lot of people in swing states that have a problem with just that.

    I just want to be sure that the fascist criminal will lose.

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      But he’s a veteran. Would they vote for the cop + veteran ticket or the felon + coach fucker one?

      Time to show their true colors.

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          Well, we all know that the salute-the-troops, thank-you-for-your-service crowd are just playing pretend.

          We all saw what happened when their nominee insulted a purple heart recipient and past POW, and everyone just cheered.

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        Well they elected a football coach over a former DA. You know, a literal “law and order” type.

        Never underestimate conservatives’ ability to put their biases over their alleged morals.

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        GOP/Conservatives hate veterans. All of them do. They like to wave the flag and pretend, but they elected a literal draft dodging bitch who openly mocked Gold Star families. A big part of P2025 is the destruction of the VA and VA Compensation.

        Don’t let any Republican voter act like they are pro-veteran or military.

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            And then votes for him. If someone votes for Trump, you get to throw it in their how they voted for someone that called veterans “losers”.

            I just got to do this to the out laws talking shit on Harris. “So you voted for the draft dodging bitch that called veterans losers? Must suck to suck.”

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      My take as well. We need to win this one. I love Pete, and would happily vote for him for president of he were the nominee, but a black woman and a gay man on the same ticket is just going to be too much for a lot of voters. Plus, I think they need to select someone from a purple state who can help bring in important votes.

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      Making America pick between fascism or whether or not they would rather a futt bucker, is a risky spicy gamble

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    They really are not. A gay candidate will guarantee a loss through the midwest and south. Generally all the religious votes.

    You think PizzaGate was bad? Wait until you have a gay candidate.

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      Honestly, I thought the same thing about Obama. I didn’t think there was any way a black guy who’d been living in Chicago would win. But he did! You never know!

      Though I agree that the risk would be crazy high to run a black/Indian female president with a gay vice president. Maybe not this psycho election.

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        Obama is literally the most professional and well spoken president since Clinton or JFK, possibly FDR. Like people he knew when he was younger were impressed with his ability.

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          As a Massachusan I applaud your description of JFK as being well spoken. Too often does our nonrhotic profanity laiden dialect end up being maligned. It’s a wicked fucking tragedy.

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        Never underestimate how much people really fucking hate Trump

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          Never overestimate either.

          People had a rare situation where they could compare trump and Biden presidency side by side and still were saying that they are not sure who they will vote for.

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            That has nothing to do with how many people hate Trump. That had to do with how many people didn’t like Biden.

            In case you hadn’t heard, Biden isn’t running for president anymore.

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              The Biden hate was artificially manufactured. Similar techniques will be used against anyone else.

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                See? Biden wasn’t uniquely poor as a candidate! Just look at all the chaos and infighting within the Democratic Party now that he dropped out! Just look at all the successful attacks Republicans have made against Harris.

                Oh, right. The party fell in line behind a viable candidate, and Republicans are flailing and nothing is sticking.

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      I mean this sincerely. Who the fuck cares if he’s gay…but… he’s doing an amazing job where he is. He’s going after shitty airlines and shitty corporations that are screwing people over. Give him 4 more years dunking on delta please !

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        Btw, I’ve noticed nearly every positive dem post on Lemmy today has the top comment being a bot generated negative comment… it’s so obvious it’s standing out.

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      I’d be fine with a gay VP. We shouldn’t be choosing our candidates based on what bigots want.

      Though I’m not sure Pete is it. He has documented animosity from Black voters because of his time as mayor of South Bend during a period of disparate enforcement of cannabis prohibition. Since Harris is trying to distance herself from her time enforcing cannabis prohibition when she was DA, I think appointing Buttigieg runs the risk of reinforcing the “she’s a cop” narrative and increasing the likelihood that it will become an effective attack against her.

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    I’ve read this article twice and nowhere does he say the words “America is ready for a gay vice president.” He says being gay has not been the detriment to his political career people assumed it would be. He’s not going around telling reporters he thinks he should be VP. In the one quote that he is asked directly whether he would do it, he dodged the question.

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    I vote for policies not people. I don’t care if the candidate is a green-skinned genetically-enhanced three-year-old clone of a dead woman from Ohio, with a biotech computer in her brain. As long as she supports equal rights for all humans, I’m on board.

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    As someone who was unfortunate enough to have grown up in Indiana, I’d rather Buttigeg stay there and keep trying to drag that state into the 20th* century.

    *Not a typo, that state is just that far behind.

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        Doing a fuckall job of it, too. To hell with Pete, why settle for this guy for VP? Why is everyone so hung up on him?

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          In think it’s because he’s an excellent communicator and stays that way even going on Fox News and such. Like even if we don’t trust him deep down, the skills he has are conductive to winning the election which is basically all that matters.

          I don’t know if that makes him the most winning choice, because bigots, but we’ll see what happens.

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            He may be an ok communicator but hes a bit of a dumbass. The guy who openly said he wanted to do a gun ban in fucken Texas probably isnt the wisest person on an electoral level.

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    I’d caution against Pete specifically. Given the meme-state of modern politics and sheer stupidity of the average voter, it’d be a terrible idea to run a gay man whose name looks like ‘buttplug’.

    …and I’m not making a joke right now - collectively we’re 100% dumb enough to throw an election over that.

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      Lest we forget this exists

      I know posting ben garrison is cheating, but this was years ago. They’d definitely latch on to the name as a tool to degrade him.

      Hell, they’ve been trying to make the word “kamala” derogatory. Sorry Pete, even though you’d be as good a candidate as any, you’ve got butt in your name

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      I actually think he would make a better POTUS candidate balanced by a Mark Kelly or something in the future. I think as a VP candidate, his value-add isn’t substantive enough to outweigh the bigotry against a gay-brown-black-woman ticket. (Sadly.)

      I do think Buttigieg is an excellent communicator and is very competent at going toe-to-toe against any mouth-froth republican, which is a real asset. Despite being a prosecuter, Kamala isn’t as good at it. It’s not a court room, no one is is under oath in political combat sports, and she too often thinks being right and factual will prevail. Pete is right and factual but also knows how to knife fight despite seeming milquetoast.

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    Pete doesn’t actually get things done, and he’s a PMC McKinsey dud… Nothing wrong with who he loves, he’s just a real bummer as a politician.

    Also there’s a reason the VP shortlist are milquetoast white males… Grandma in Ohio might be able to vote for a woman of color, but these frightened bigots need a “safe” feeling backup plan in VP. Win the battle, take the win if Kamala can break that barrier. She wouldn’t be my first choice generally, but she has the momentum and now seems like the time. I’m supporting her full speed

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      What I love about him though is how he talks to Republicans. He just has a way of making their hypocrisy obvious to them and you can literally see their brain short circuit and do a hard reboot before they respond. He’s given some great interviews on fox news. But besides that I could take him or leave him.

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      1000% agree. I’m not stoked about, most likely, not voting in a dem primary for 8 years. Harris wouldn’t be my first choice but I don’t wanna deflate the hype train at all. Hoping for a super majority in congress, that would be the big win. Really hope true progressives can accomplish as much as possible with that. Last time it happened for dems we got the ACA, that should be the minimum benchmark.

      HARRIS/ANONYMOUS GENERIC WHITE GUY 2024!

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        Word.

        Harris/Guy that gramma would be happy to see advertised on a real estate bench 2024

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      Pete doesn’t actually get things done

      He gets things done for his constituency, which is the network of business lobbyists that power his presidential ambitions. He’s an excellent resource for BNSF and Union Pacific. He’s a valuable asset for Boeing and FedEx. He’s just no good if you’re riding Amtrack or stuck in an airport at 2am waiting for JetBlue to get its shit together.

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    But, are they ready for a VP that has only been mayor of a small town and a cabinet member four years?

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      They were ready for a President who had only been a failed businessman and a game show host, so probably yes?

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        Different they. You two are talking about different groups of people. Kamalas path to victory isn’t doing what Trump voters approve of, it’s doing what people who don’t like Trump approve of.

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    Such a disingenuous title. He never said voters were ready for a gay VP, his quotes were in response to a question if he thought voters were ready for a black woman. But I guess nobody reads the article and just throws in their 2 cents on what they think of Pete as a VP.

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      his quotes were in response to a question if he thought voters were ready for a black woman

      This somehow makes the article even worse.

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    Until ~##,### voters don’t decide an entire presidential election, no. No, they aren’t…

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      The question is how many of those voters would vote on a Democratic ticket led by a black woman in the first place. One of the most common errors in politics is trying to go after the core voters of the other side - usually framed as going after the moderates - instead of mobilising their own base. One of things that makes Trump dangerous is that he makes no such mistake.