How about we give parents one extra vote per child.
But they have to wait 18 years to use it.
And they can’t directly use it, it’s more that they get a delegate of sorts.
And this delegate — let’s call them, I dunno,
their kid“offspring voter” — isn’t legally bound to vote one way or another.And how about this person votes in a manner that in some way reflects how they were raised, and their worldy experiences — possibly voting exactly as the parents would, or possibly exactly opposite, or anywhere in between.
So do we get an extra vote per child?
Is it more of the person who claims the child on their taxes gets the extra vote?
Does custody play into this? In other words, I get to claim one kid on my taxes, and my ex gets the other kid…
…or because she’s a woman, she shouldn’t be voting in the first place, so I get both kids’ and her votes?
Either way, I wouldn’t mind legally voting for Kamala two or four times in November. 😁
If historical precedent is any guide, they’ll count each child as an extra 3/5 of a vote.
I couldn’t resist. This is from the video game episode of Community, where a legal contract being presented on the fly is actually the text of the 3/5ths compromise.
How low can Vance creep Trump’s poll numbers?
Lower
He’s the new Sarah Palin. Normally VP picks don’t move the needle, but when you get it wrong, it can spoil the whole thing.
That being said, vote! vote! VOTE! This election is going to come down to the wire in a few states.
Agreed! Vote as if people you care about could be deported or lose their lives. Because they might.
VOTE!!!
Please.
🎵 How low can you go? 🎶 How low can you go? 🎵 How low can you go? 🎶
In order to vote, I think American voters should have to pass the same history test that immigrants need to in order to gain citizenship.
edit: This sits at +11 because Americans don’t know their history. We already did it to African Americans and it went extremely poorly. That’s the point: Pick up a book.
Give that test to everyone. It’s just basic reading comprehension with a simple logic question and a simple math question. Even just that would disenfranchise the vast majority of American voters.
My point wasn’t that a test is a good thing. It’s an incredibly horrible idea.
My point is that the vast majority of Americans know less of their history than their immigrants. And, the vast majority of Americans are now in favor of repeating one mistake or the other because they don’t know their history.
My evidence is that my suggestion above is predominantly upvoted.
They gave the test to everyone then too. They just decided who passed and who didn’t. Why do you think it will be different this time?
automated objective scoring
You didn’t read my post. You’re strawmanning. Not your style.
Automated by whom? Objective according to whom?
You’re still bashing that straw man you made.
Look up. You made a mistake. And, if it wasn’t you I’d simply block.
Bud, that isn’t what a straw man is. Like, at all.
And “objective computer analysis” can still be wrong and biased. Look at all the image classifiers that called black people monkeys cause they were trained almost exclusively on images of white people.
You could answer my questions or you could keep trolling up to you.
Also, please do explain how asking you how this test would be automated and objective is a straw man. Do you not understand what a straw man argument is?
Also, stop making this about me. If you want to block me, fine, but I don’t care about your expectations of me or what you think is a mistake or poor argument on my part.
I’ve taken and passed practice tests before. A lot of Americans who may be down-voting may remember things like Jim Crow laws and how tests were widely used to disenfranchise voters, particularly non-white or otherwise “the wrong kind of” voters, in the past and it still leaves a bad taste.
It isn’t about having a bad taste from the past. Policy like this would further disenfranchise vulnerable populations present day. A barrier for entry like this is going to disproportionately impact lower income folks. Hard to study for a test like this when you’re busting your ass at 3 part time jobs trying to make ends meet. That’s not even to mention the inequality that exists within the education system between higher and lower income areas to begin with. “Our system failed you, so now you’re not qualified to vote. Cheers!”
Three guesses as to who this policy would affect more: white people or people of color?
I 100% agree with this.
Some of those same reasons are the reasons voter ID laws as often implemented (i.e. without anyway to ensure that everyone is actually able to get an ID given that it takes documents, time, and money that not everyone can spare) can negatively impact the same portions of the population as well.
I think candidates for office should have to pass those tests.
Tests administered publicly with no lifelines available.
Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV.
Ok, nailed it, gimme the nuclear codes
Now, there’s a good idea. But, I think you’d be surprised at the results. They’re not stupid. They’re evil.
In some states you can’t graduate without passing that test, I know that was the case in Missouri. That shit was hard.
And on the opposite end, his running mate would prefer to see some children just die off.
Yeah, but their parents can’t or won’t vote anyway. So they’re worthless to him.
I think you should get more votes if you DONT have children. And the government should give out free sterilizations, and if you can prove you’re sterilized you get to take paternity leave twice.
Not sure if you’re trying for eugenics, but it certainly sounds like you are.
Incentivizing sterilization probably means that marginalized groups will preferentially take advantage of it (well-off people can already take long vacations, etc.). So now we have a disproportionately sterile lower class, while the upper class can have kids as they see fit.
Don’t get me wrong, overpopulation is a real thing. But e.g. Japan’s declining birth rate doesn’t seem particularly happy, and I’m not sure government sponsored sterilization bribery is great either…
By that argument, the lower rate of reproduction is western countries is eugenics, since it’s a consequence of policy (education).
Actually one of the best things that poor folks can do to escape generational poverty, is to have fewer kids. That way, kids inherit a larger share of their grandparents assets, and more can be passed down. Generational land ownership, for example, is extremely powerful. Fewer children per family also lowers the financial burden of education, enabling better education for comparatively fewer people. That’s not eugenics, it’s smart family planning.
Antinatalism is the way :)
Kids can have a vote when they start paying taxes. No representation without taxation!
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I know I would.
The children crave the mines
Cool so as soon as they spend their money on any goods and service they can vote? 😲
There’d have to be some kind of threshold. Maybe when they get a job.
Same-Sex and Refugee/Immigrant-Adopting and Single parents also get more votes.
Vance: “No, not like that!”
Statistically, parents already have more votes: inasmuch as children contribute to the apportionment of congressional districts and presidential electors, voters in districts with a disproportionately high ratio of children to adults have correspondingly greater representation in the House and the Electoral College. (Not that there’s anything inherently wrong with that, but it should be taken into consideration.)
But wait, Republicans, what about all the welfare queens with like 10 Democrat party welfare sponsored kids? Are they now the most powerful voting block? Or did they never exist?
Only the father gets the extra votes so if you throw them in prison for marijuana possession than problem solved
As a parent and voting socialist this may backfire on this dude.
