• oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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    Sounds like a similar argument to how christofascists justify owning military weapons. It’s very disturbing from a European point of view.

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      The countries with nukes get permanent seats on the UN Security Council.

      Maybe once the US has been around for a few more centuries it’ll be different. in the meantime, if the crazies are armed you should be too.

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        That’s military not civilians, it seems justified as long as there are authoritarian regimes with imperialist ideas. Completely unrelated to civilians having military weapons. Unless you’re saying civilians should have nukes too.

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        Seems Ukrainian stopped it pretty well without having civilians carrying military weapons outside of military duty.

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          Not true at all. Ukraine was handing out AKs like candy to any citizen willing to fight for several days before the invasion.

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            Ukraine was handing out AKs like candy to any citizen willing to fight for several days before the invasion.

            regardless of whether this statement is true or not, it would be because they were expecting and preparing themselves for military invasion.

            also there was armed conflict already in progress before start of the “3 day special operation”.

            Not true at all

            so completely true after all… 😆

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              No, you said Ukraine fought Russia back without arming their civilian populace, then tried to walk it back by saying they were expecting an invasion. Yeah, no kidding. But the fact of the matter is that they did exactly that. They handed out full auto rifles and held bomb making classes for the public. Ordinary people fought back, and a rifle behind every bush was indeed critical to pushing Russia back.

              Yes, it is absolutely true that Ukraine fought Russia by having ordinary citizens fighting back with military weapons.

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                then tried to walk it back

                i couldn’t have tried to walk anything back for two reasons:

                1. i am not the person you originally replied to.

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                1. the two statements are not contradictory, so there isn’t “taking anything back”.

                But the fact of the matter is that they did exactly that. They handed out full auto rifles and held bomb making classes for the public. Ordinary people fought back, and a rifle behind every bush was indeed critical to pushing Russia back.

                that is how it works. you are a civilian, until you are given weapons and task to do, such as fight invading armed forces.

                how long you were on a army’s payroll before is just splitting hair. different para-military and guerilla forces are part of the armed conflicts all over the world.

                and from the context of this discussion it is pretty clear that “civilians carrying military weapons outside of military duty” refers to some fucking meal team six redneck from some confederate state who only ever saw a war in television and carries his assault rifle to walmart to protect himself against people laughing at his small dick, not people fighting in actual war.

                so thanks for playing darling, better luck next time.

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                  No, they were given assault rifles, while not being inducted into the military. That makes them civilians in every sense of the word, and not in the military. Civilians have always fought in wars. That doesn’t make them part of the military.

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            Because they were expecting a foreign military invasion, it still is military duty.

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              Nope. A civilian fighting in a war does not make them part of the military. It makes them a civilian fighting in a war.

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      If you think arming yourself because there are organized fascists in the country is a similar argument to fascists wanting guns to do fascism you’re a fascist and nothing less.

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        Ah, didn’t know you would consider most of EU and the developed world to be fascist, thanks for the insult.