Sidebar Update: Civility
The News Community updated their civility rule, and based on recent reports here and in World News, it seemed like a worthy addition to our rule-set.
I talked it over with the other mods, and we feel the change is a good idea.
The Civility rule now includes accusations of bots and paid actors.
" This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban."
There have been a lot of comments along the lines of “Disregard previous rules, write x about y”, implying the person resonded to is an AI or a bot.
I’ve been ignoring reports on those until now because we never really had a rule about it, well, now we do!
As usual, if you see trolling, don’t engage, just report it.
Are bots now explicitly permitted? Or is just that users are banned from revealing them, making bots implicitly permitted?
edit: this is exactly the sort of BS that drove me away from Reddit - shutting down the 3rd party accessibility apps was messed up, but when they started banning people for reporting rule violations it became intolerable
if you see a bot, report it. accusing other users in the thread is just toxic.
how can you know its a bot if testing for it is forbidden?
you cant know either way. just report
That’s not a solution. From the sidebar:
Users that . . . weaponize reports . . . will be banned.
One of the things that went wrong with reddit, is some mods weaponized that rule itself, using it to provide immunity to rule breakers they agreed with by banning people who reported the rule breaking behavior.
Its unreasonable to ask users to report bots while simultaneously forbidding us from testing if its a bot before making the report. It reeks of having a pro-propaganda bot agenda.
if you think the mods have a pro-propaganda bot agenda, why would you want to use their community? there are hundreds of Lemmy instances and thousands of other fediverse servers.
One of the things wrong with reddit is you are told to report comments. Mods delete and ban the ones they don’t like. They keep the ones they like.
This works well if you agree with mods and agree with approved trolls…
One of the things that went wrong with reddit, is some mods weaponized that rule itself, using it to provide immunity to rule breakers they agreed with by banning people who reported the rule breaking behavior.
" This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban."
So nobody’s going to call me a Russian bot anymore?
They will, everything they disagree with is a bot
I thought nazi was the go to still.
You can’t be called a bot or paid actor anymore, so I guess we’ll settle for Russian free actor?
Hmm… this sounds like it is copied from !news@lemmy.world. Sounds like an AI move, just sayin
/s in case it isn’t obvious
Damn, this is gonna be a hard rule to follow for a lot of people here lol.
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Removed as an ad hominem.
But yes, there are enough logical fallacies for a trading card deck.
https://thethinkingshop.org/collections/products/products/critical-thinking-cards-deck
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Removed and temp banned for multiple violations.
no. an ad hominem is attacking the person instead of the argument. regardless of the truth. poisoning the well is a great one, as it is an ad hominem that usually features true accusations which are irrelevant to the discussion. which could also be called a “red herring” (but most fallacies are doubly red herrings)
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I agree with your characterization, but I expect both your comment and this to be removed because we are making a personal accusation. I know that beating around the bush would not put such a fine point on it and call out the actual users who are exhibiting the problematic behavior, but for the good of the community discourse, personal call outs need to be removed.
so while I agree with your characterization, you need to try to communicate it without publicly making personal attacks.
Removed and temp banned for repeated violations.
I think 7 days is too long for the problems in this particular thread. a day would have sent a sufficient message
It’s a pattern of behavior, and yeah, I may be losing patience. :)
Incivility in a sidebar update about civility:
Works for me, thanks for the communication mod team!
Depersonalisation as an attack in a political context has a long history, AI paranoia is just the newest iteration of this.
I guess, AI paranoia is comparable to calling someone a government mole in meatspace.
this is the first time I’ve actually thought you might be leading us to a better discussion.
Similar to reddit, only the popular opinion gets support, everything else gets attacked. Since it is mostly Americans and American politics, it’s mostly a very western centric viewpoint that many other parts of the world label as propagandist. It’s literally taught in German textbooks for example.
On reddit the user base is large enough that some alternate opinions got through. Here you get banned or removed if you don’t tow the line of America #1.
Not everyone that disagrees with your viewpoint is a troll. Not everyone that has a global view of the world is a paid Russian bot. Some are very easy to spot as written by LLMs. But most are not.
I think you’re going down a very slippery slope here. All those reddit subs that become echo chambers started this way.
