There’s no such thing as Russian communism. They never were communist and never will be communist. They liked the word communist. Or at least saying it a lot. They liked also pretend that it was their aspiration to become communist. But no Marxist leninist government has ever or will ever achieve communism. But they will ruin its name with their hypocritical Behavior.

There is a difference between a fascist and a Marxist leninist. But they are both authoritarian. So it isn’t massive. And if you cross the end group in either one your life is forfeit.

Then read Listen Germany!

A socialist revolution by definition cannot be fascist, fascism is a far right movement and a socialist revolution is far left movement they both have authoritarian aspects, but are polar opposites as far as the goals of each movement. Socialism is for the benefit of all, fascism is for the benefit of the few.

Also I’m not an accelerationist and am voting for Biden, there is no where near enough class conciousness in the States for a Prolitariat Revolution to occur, but once that critical tipping point is reached I think Landlords and Billionaires should get the wall if they refuse to peacefully give up their hordes of wealth and property for the common good and that the revolution should be defended by any means necessary.

Funny how the self-proclaimed vanguard of the radical left are just incoherent anti-western reactionaries wearing Marxism like a fig leaf, isn’t it? Like, I’m all for breaking down the current neoliberal capitalist hegemony, but you’ve gotta have a hole in your head to want to replace it with a literal crime syndicate masquerading as a government or an oppressive hyper-capitalist dictatorship with imperialistic ambitions.

Defending a revolution is not accelerationism. I have no idea how you got that from what they said, or generally where this idea of tankies being accelerationists comes from, it seems to be mostly something people make up about us. Accelerationism is stupid and reactionary.

Stalinism wasn’t counter-revolutionary?

I mean some might be fascists from like 8chan RPing as tankies. If I recall like a white republican congressman had a sockpuppet where he pretended to be a black guy.

You have to assume a certain amount of pro-trump stuff is straight up BS

Part my ramen and I’ll fight you, mate.

Thrall.

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I know right, neoliberalism is utopia. /s

SleezyDizasta: Could these be the same?

That’s stupid, that’s not what I implied. I said that they’re sister ideologies that desire the same things just with different approaches, and that’s objectively true.

Fascism was started by Mussolini, who was an infamous Marxist for most of his early life. He used to write for Marxist papers, be an avid Marxist activist, attend Marxist meetings, and even got arrested for rioting for Marxist causes. He, like many other socialists at the time, was against war. However, over time he came to the conclusion that war might not be a bad thing. If wars happened more frequently, it could bring about the social climate necessary for revolutions to happen that would end European monarchies and replace them with socialist systems. However, his ideas were rejected by the other socialists and he was shunned by them.

Mussolini started shifting away from other socialists over what unites men. Socialists believe it’s class, but Mussolini started shifting towards the nation. He and his supporters starting gravitating towards revolutionary nationalism… Professor Anthony Gregor from UC Berkely described Mussolini’s nationalism as the following:

Mussolini’s revolutionary nationalism, while it distinguished itself from the traditional patriotism and nationalism of the bourgeoisie, displayed many of those features we today identify with the nationalism of underdeveloped peoples. It was an anticonservative nationalism that anticipated vast social changes; it was directed against both foreign and domestic oppressors; it conjured up an image of a renewed and regenerated nation that would perform a historical mission; it invoked a moral ideal of selfless sacrifice and commitment in the service of collective goals; and it recalled ancient glories and anticipated a shared and greater glory

Mussolini’s Fascism was very clearly heavily influenced by Marxism. He used a lot of the same ideals, a lot of the same terminology, similar rhetoric, and similar types of analytical lenses. In fact professor Gregor notes that Mussolini’s viewed Fascism as a type of socialism, or rather as the successor of socialism:

“Fascism was the only form of ‘socialism’ appropriate to the proletarian nations of the twentieth century”

Even though Mussolini eventually parted ways with Marxism all together. His opposition to them wasn’t because they were socialists but because they were anti-nationalist. Despite declaring Marxism a failure and socialists as opposition, he still thought and constantly talked about how Fascism was about poor nations rising up against the plutocrats.

When I say they’re sister ideologies, they literally are.

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_nationalism

when the USSR quashed the Hungarian revolution

quashed the Hungarian communist (democratic worker) revolution; lowercase.

Yup, it even predates Tiananmen Square by a few decades IIRC

Yup, when I first joined I wanted to join lemmy.ml because “oh I like machine learning”.

Those were the days…

Yeah let’s spread their memes and upvote their content ironically #lol #pwned #trolled

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Do you think Biden should drop out and be replaced by a Dem who could do better in the polls?

Absolutely.

But you’re the type to insist that he should stay in the race despite losing in the polls right?

Based on what?

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No, you don’t understand. It’s obvious from the polling that 60% of voters are “tankies.” /s

Biden has a VP that can take over and a whole administration to take care of things.

And there’s nobody else but his own VP who even have a chance, and might as well stay as Biden’s VP instead of introducing a new random person to the national vote. If Biden gives in before the end of the next term she’ll be the next president anyway

Yet fools like you say this, but don’t offer any suggestions. Tell me, who do you think could replace Biden on the ballot now and stand a chance of winning?

I’m just waiting for the bullshit “literally anyone else” as an answer.

Are you going to ignore how Hitler first killed the Socialist have you ever heard that poem that has the line when they came for the Jews I said nothing for I was not a Jew and when they came for me there was no one else left go reread that poem and tell me who the first people they took where?

It’s not secret that Marxists and Fascists hated each other. Then again they hate everyone who isn’t from the right groups and doesn’t entirely agree with them. Still doesn’t change the fact that the Soviets and the Nazis did in fact sign an alliance that led to them invading Poland together… You know, the thing that led France and the UK to declare war on Hitler and officially begin WWII.

Do you know the Nazis killed more Soviet soldiers than any other country soldiers and that Soviets killed more Nazis than any other country killed Nazis.

That’s stupid. Of course there were going to be more deaths from both of them against each other because more soliders fought on the Eastern front than any other front. The Soviet Union and Germany were only two powers on that front. Them exchanging more deaths doesn’t mean what you think it does.

Both my grandfathers were American soldiers during World War II one of them went to prisoner of Work Camp in Nazi Germany do you want to know who Freedom the f****** Soviets.

Okay, but how this detract from the fact that the Soviets having their own work camps? The Soviet gulags were infamous. They had somewhere between 10 and 20 million prisoners between 1930 and 1953, and about 1 to 2 million were killed.

Do you know what country marched on Berlin and ended Nazi Germany?

Go to Berlin or ANY Eastern European country and ask them how the Soviet experience was. You’ll find that most people see the Soviets and the Nazis in the same light. They weren’t liberators, but ruthless conquerors. The Eastern European countries quickly realized when the Soviets rolled through that they weren’t freed, but rather “under new management”.

You’re fucking ignorant. Horseshoe theory is propaganda the US came up with during the Cold War. Read a book

I don’t think you understand that the Nazis ≠ Fascism, the Soviets ≠ Marxism, and the Soviets and Nazis fighting each other doesn’t make the ideologies opposites. Mussolini, the founder of fascism, was literally a life long Marxist before he created fascism as alternative to the flaws he saw with the socialists at the time. Fascism and Marxism are quite literally sister ideologies.

This idea that these two ideologies are polar opposites stems from Soviet propaganda post war that they used to justify their tyranny and atrocities. It was a tool to keep people in line and purge out opposition. The reality is that they’re more similar than different.

Probably a better place than wherever you got the delusion that anybody but bougie upper middle class white kids are seriously pitching a fight about this shit still when the Supreme Court just endorsed Trump putting everyone else in camps as long as he calls it an “official act”

Literally nobody else could be so blinded by their privilege to not see the bigger picture as its illuminated with big neon signs and blasting an air raid siren to draw attention to itself.

Also, only a bougie white kid feels the need to call foul about “the race card.”

Man the self declared totally legit leftists in this thread just be borrowing all the neo-nazi wafflisms.

Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss I guess, might as well get that last one out of the way before Trump official acts the handmaiden’s tale into state policy.