The US views the war of 1812 as a victory? In Canada we are taught it was a British victory. A white peace is typically considered a loss for the aggressor.
Yes. The US teaches they won it. I protested that using the textbooks of my parents from other commonwealth countries which were clearly not as revisionist. History teacher failed to recognize he was wrong. This is the type of propaganda Americans are exposed to all the time. I was fortunate enough to have most of my education outside the US and then proactive parents that didn’t let any of that propaganda BS fly.
That’s wild. How do they even claim victory? Like I said, they started a war with the hope of capturing territory, and no territory was captured when the peace was signed. How do you spin that as a win?
Don’t worry, idk where this person was educated but there are plenty of states with actual education standards. I’m not a recent grad by any measure, but I was taught 1812 and Vietnam were absolute losses for the US.
Since you have an actual education and know that it was the US being a bully and trying to steal Ontario and Quebec when they thought the British were weak.
Notice how the encyclopedia (with American propaganda) it’s about trade violations. And the British stalled peace, then surrendered after being crushed in new Orleans. It’s Amazing how twisted Americans can make history.
the Treaty of Ghent did not resolve the issues that had caused the war, but at that point Britain was too weary to win it, and the U.S. government deemed not losing it a tolerable substitute for victory. Nevertheless, many Americans became convinced that they had won the contest.
Did you read a different article from me? This one seemed pretty blunt on the subject of whether or not America won. It says the US chose to tolerate a white peace since they couldn’t win, yet many Americans delude themselves into calling it a victory. TBF though I just skimmed it and jumped to the end.
Also, the battle of New Orleans shouldn’t really be considered when deciding who won the war. The peace treaty had already been signed when the battle began.
Interestingly… Yes. Those words appear nowhere in the article I am looking at. Currently connected to a US VPN (from outside the USA)
What Led to the War:
The commercial restrictions that Britain’s war with France imposed on the U.S. exacerbated the U.S.’s relations with both powers. Although neither Britain nor France initially accepted the U.S.’s neutral rights to trade with the other—and punished U.S. ships for trying to do so—France had begun to temper its intransigence on the issue by 1810. That, paired with the ascendance of certain pro-French politicians in the U.S. and the conviction held by some Americans that the British were stirring up unrest among Native Americans on the frontier, set the stage for a U.S.-British war. The U.S. Congress declared war in 1812.
How it ended:
Peace talks between Britain and the U.S. began in 1814. Britain stalled negotiations as it waited for word of a victory in America, having recently committed extra troops to its western campaign. But news of their losses at places like Plattsburgh, New York, and Baltimore, Maryland, paired with the duke of Wellington’s counsel against continuing the war, convinced the British to pursue peace more genuinely, and both sides signed the Treaty of Ghent in December 1814. The final battle of the war occurred after this, when a British general unaware of the peace treaty led an assault on New Orleans that was roundly crushed.
Edited to add: I was not even aware that this was happening now. I find this even scarier. Revisionist history for Americans by IP address!
The US views the war of 1812 as a victory? In Canada we are taught it was a British victory. A white peace is typically considered a loss for the aggressor.
Yes. The US teaches they won it. I protested that using the textbooks of my parents from other commonwealth countries which were clearly not as revisionist. History teacher failed to recognize he was wrong. This is the type of propaganda Americans are exposed to all the time. I was fortunate enough to have most of my education outside the US and then proactive parents that didn’t let any of that propaganda BS fly.
That’s wild. How do they even claim victory? Like I said, they started a war with the hope of capturing territory, and no territory was captured when the peace was signed. How do you spin that as a win?
Don’t worry, idk where this person was educated but there are plenty of states with actual education standards. I’m not a recent grad by any measure, but I was taught 1812 and Vietnam were absolute losses for the US.
Read this for an example:
https://www.britannica.com/event/War-of-1812
Since you have an actual education and know that it was the US being a bully and trying to steal Ontario and Quebec when they thought the British were weak.
Notice how the encyclopedia (with American propaganda) it’s about trade violations. And the British stalled peace, then surrendered after being crushed in new Orleans. It’s Amazing how twisted Americans can make history.
Did you read a different article from me? This one seemed pretty blunt on the subject of whether or not America won. It says the US chose to tolerate a white peace since they couldn’t win, yet many Americans delude themselves into calling it a victory. TBF though I just skimmed it and jumped to the end.
Also, the battle of New Orleans shouldn’t really be considered when deciding who won the war. The peace treaty had already been signed when the battle began.
Interestingly… Yes. Those words appear nowhere in the article I am looking at. Currently connected to a US VPN (from outside the USA)
What Led to the War:
The commercial restrictions that Britain’s war with France imposed on the U.S. exacerbated the U.S.’s relations with both powers. Although neither Britain nor France initially accepted the U.S.’s neutral rights to trade with the other—and punished U.S. ships for trying to do so—France had begun to temper its intransigence on the issue by 1810. That, paired with the ascendance of certain pro-French politicians in the U.S. and the conviction held by some Americans that the British were stirring up unrest among Native Americans on the frontier, set the stage for a U.S.-British war. The U.S. Congress declared war in 1812.
How it ended:
Peace talks between Britain and the U.S. began in 1814. Britain stalled negotiations as it waited for word of a victory in America, having recently committed extra troops to its western campaign. But news of their losses at places like Plattsburgh, New York, and Baltimore, Maryland, paired with the duke of Wellington’s counsel against continuing the war, convinced the British to pursue peace more genuinely, and both sides signed the Treaty of Ghent in December 1814. The final battle of the war occurred after this, when a British general unaware of the peace treaty led an assault on New Orleans that was roundly crushed.
Edited to add: I was not even aware that this was happening now. I find this even scarier. Revisionist history for Americans by IP address!
That’s extremely fucked up.Edit: maybe the ctrl-f didn’t work because the article loads in as you scroll down? The excerpt I copied was from the very bottom of the article.
Yep, I thought of that too. I scrolled down all the way before doing a page search. So… That very much sucks.