• grue@lemmy.world
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    1. 401ks are still related to the person’s place of employment, so they don’t actually solve that problem. I’d rather see us ditch them in favor of higher contribution limits to IRAs.

    2. Defined-contribution retirement plans (401ks and IRAs) in general are not an adequate replacement for defined-benefit ones (pensions and Social Security) because, frankly, people are too stupid on average to plan properly for their future. And even if you think stupid people deserve what they get, it’s still a problem that affects you because of the collective burden massive numbers of indigent elderly would put on society.

    401ks never should’ve been created, and the replacement for private employer pensions should’ve been an expansion of Social Security.

    (I say all this as someone with much larger than average retirement savings who’s aiming for FIRE, by the way. This is a critique of the system from someone who has benefited from it, not sour grapes from a stereotypical poor millennial.)

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      I might agree with you if I had the option of opting out of Social Security. It’s an absolute disaster and it’ll never be fixed. You can say it should be, but if we’re debating impractical solutions we may as well just include “everyone lives forever and always has everything they ever need”.

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      Related, yes, but if I leave my job I don’t lose my 401K. I like my employer matching funds in it.

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        “Financial Independence; Retire Early.” See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_movement

        TL;DR: I keep my household expenses very low (roughly $30k/year) and save a very high percentage of my income so that I can retire very early. The pandemic changed my plans a bit, but I’m expecting to be done by age 45. (By the way, to address a common criticism of the idea: "retire"means doing whatever I want without being beholden to working for a wage, not necessarily vegging out in front of the TV and stagnating as certain workaholics assume. The important distinction is that I could choose to work if I wanted, but wouldn’t need to.)