Here’s the chief of NATO openly admitting why the war started, but you keep on lying here if that makes you feel better.
The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.
The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.
So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.
You are claiming that the war is between Russia and Ukraine, while the reality, as Stoltenberg admits is that it’s a war between Russia and NATO. Ukraine is the party that needs permission from the west to stop the war.
Again, can Russia end the war immediately, ss you claimed, or do they need permission from the west, like you also claimed?
Can you explain to me why Russia would stop the war that Russia is currently winning?
You are avoiding my question. Can Russia end the war immediately, or do they need permission from the west? Yes or no. If you do not answer, I will just assume thst you agree with me that Russia can end the war unilaterally, and Putin chooses not to (because he chooses not to, as “winning” is more important thsn millions of lives).
To avoid the death of millions of Russians and Ukrainians. I’ve answered multiple times.
So, now we agree that Russia could end the war immediately, regardless of what the west does, but chooses not to, leading to the death of millions of Russians and Ukrainians.
Meanwhile, nowhere did I say that Russia can’t stop the war. What I said is that it makes absolutely no sense for Russia to do that. The war started because of NATO expansion eastwards as Stoltenberg has openly admitted. If Russia stops the war, then NATO will just continue doing what it was doing previously in Ukraine. All the effort and all the lives lost will have been for nothing. Russia has to win this war decisively.
Also, you keep talking about Putin as if he runs the country in dictatorial fashion. That is a perspective divorced from reality. At this point vast majority of people in Russia support the war because they now understand that the west is their enemy. They saw western reaction towards Russians after the war started, and they can plainly see now that the west viscerally hates Russians. Putin is considered a moderate, and the main criticism of Putin in Russia today is that he’s being too cautious and not showing enough force.
What will happen in the end is that Russia will win and dictate terms, the only question is how many more people have to die before westerners accept that.
What will happen in the end is that Russia will win and dictate terms, the only question is how many more people have to die before westerners accept that.
You answered yourself where the millions come from.
You agree that Putin could stop the war, but can not see why it would make sense to not kill millions. That requires a particular disregard for life typical of Russia, and then russians act surprised when people hate them.
You answered yourself where the millions come from.
I didn’t, if you look at the link provided, Russian casualties have actually been going down. Apparently you don’t have a first clue regarding the subject you’re attempting to debate here. Let me explain a few basics to you. Most of the casualties in this war (around 80%) come from artillery fire, and Russia outguns Ukraine by a factor of around 10 to 1. Ukraine has at this point run through much of its professional army that was motivated and well trained, they’re now increasingly relying on conscripts with little training, and no motivation to fight. As the professional and motivated core of the army continues to shrink, an inflection point comes where the whole army starts to collapse. This is what happened to Germans at the end of WW2. This is what’s already starting to happen in Ukraine now. Armies don’t fight to the last man, once the collapse starts, it progresses very rapidly where the cohesion of the army falls apart.
Also, I notice you have problems with reading comprehension. Because I told you the opposite. Putin can’t in fact stop the war because that would be an incredibly unpopular move politically in Russia.
I’ve been explaining the same thing to you over and over in many different ways here. All you do is just keep regurgitating the same few points you’ve memorized. You’re not engaging in any actual discussion here, so I’m going to stop. Feel free to believe whatever you like, but I do hope that once the war ends you’ll do some self reflection and ask yourself what was achieved by prolonging the conflict.
Here’s the chief of NATO openly admitting why the war started, but you keep on lying here if that makes you feel better.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm
That has literally nothing to do with what I just wrote? I said nothing about the reason for the war.
Again, can Russia end the war immediately, ss you claimed, or do they need permission from the west, like you also claimed?
You are claiming that the war is between Russia and Ukraine, while the reality, as Stoltenberg admits is that it’s a war between Russia and NATO. Ukraine is the party that needs permission from the west to stop the war.
Can you explain to me why Russia would stop the war that Russia is currently winning?
You are avoiding my question. Can Russia end the war immediately, or do they need permission from the west? Yes or no. If you do not answer, I will just assume thst you agree with me that Russia can end the war unilaterally, and Putin chooses not to (because he chooses not to, as “winning” is more important thsn millions of lives).
You are avoiding my question. Why would Russia end the war that Russia is winning?
To avoid the death of millions of Russians and Ukrainians. I’ve answered multiple times.
So, now we agree that Russia could end the war immediately, regardless of what the west does, but chooses not to, leading to the death of millions of Russians and Ukrainians.
The actual losses for Russia amount to around 57k as a western source that shows its methodology reports. So, not sure where these millions are coming from https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
Meanwhile, nowhere did I say that Russia can’t stop the war. What I said is that it makes absolutely no sense for Russia to do that. The war started because of NATO expansion eastwards as Stoltenberg has openly admitted. If Russia stops the war, then NATO will just continue doing what it was doing previously in Ukraine. All the effort and all the lives lost will have been for nothing. Russia has to win this war decisively.
Also, you keep talking about Putin as if he runs the country in dictatorial fashion. That is a perspective divorced from reality. At this point vast majority of people in Russia support the war because they now understand that the west is their enemy. They saw western reaction towards Russians after the war started, and they can plainly see now that the west viscerally hates Russians. Putin is considered a moderate, and the main criticism of Putin in Russia today is that he’s being too cautious and not showing enough force.
What will happen in the end is that Russia will win and dictate terms, the only question is how many more people have to die before westerners accept that.
You answered yourself where the millions come from.
You agree that Putin could stop the war, but can not see why it would make sense to not kill millions. That requires a particular disregard for life typical of Russia, and then russians act surprised when people hate them.
I didn’t, if you look at the link provided, Russian casualties have actually been going down. Apparently you don’t have a first clue regarding the subject you’re attempting to debate here. Let me explain a few basics to you. Most of the casualties in this war (around 80%) come from artillery fire, and Russia outguns Ukraine by a factor of around 10 to 1. Ukraine has at this point run through much of its professional army that was motivated and well trained, they’re now increasingly relying on conscripts with little training, and no motivation to fight. As the professional and motivated core of the army continues to shrink, an inflection point comes where the whole army starts to collapse. This is what happened to Germans at the end of WW2. This is what’s already starting to happen in Ukraine now. Armies don’t fight to the last man, once the collapse starts, it progresses very rapidly where the cohesion of the army falls apart.
Also, I notice you have problems with reading comprehension. Because I told you the opposite. Putin can’t in fact stop the war because that would be an incredibly unpopular move politically in Russia.
I’ve been explaining the same thing to you over and over in many different ways here. All you do is just keep regurgitating the same few points you’ve memorized. You’re not engaging in any actual discussion here, so I’m going to stop. Feel free to believe whatever you like, but I do hope that once the war ends you’ll do some self reflection and ask yourself what was achieved by prolonging the conflict.