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    It doesn’t make sense to start at Reagan.

    Reagan happened because conservatives realized people don’t like conservatives.

    So they invented Faux News (memo in Nixon’s presidential library) so that voters would never hold Republicans accountable again, and then started running charismatic figureheads to eventually take the fall years after leaving office.

    Blaming Reagan (who is undoubtedly a piece of shit) is letting the real problem off the hook.

    I don’t remember Reagan, but I remember GW, and it was the same thing. When we’re finally rid of trump, the next will be even worse, and still taking orders from the same conservative machine that was feeding Reagan his talking points.

    So hate Reagan all you want, but don’t forget to hate the other people who were actually the ones in control. Because that machine is still running, it’s the one behind project 2025, not trump’s dumbass.

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      Reagan is the one that started defining the government as evil. He said "The scariest words you can hear is ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’ " From then on anything the government did was bad and evil by definition. He’s very much the start of this major problem of “drown the government in the bathtub” people. He launched the whole wave of them. You can’t negotiate with people that think that kind of thing because to them it’s all bad and evil. We haven’t even touched on his Reaganomics. Nixon was corrupt but at least he thought government had a role (he even started the EPA).

      Yes we can blame Fox News too.

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        John Birch society predates Regan by decades. Perhaps Regan mainstreamed it. But even that’s debatable.

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            Considering it was mainstream and prescient enough for that lunatic Barry Goldwater and others to address it specifically. Many decades before Reagan was President. I think it’s very unlikely he did anything other than harness them. That particular Cult of stupidness had been cultivated for nearly half a century at that point.

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          That is… haunting. We should probably do something as civilians with collective action, but their propaganda has made that really hard.

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            Ignorance is bliss, but it doesn’t solve shit.

            Just mentioning that The Family isnt solely focused on republicans got me a down vote almost immediately.

            Before we can fix this, we have to get people to acknowledge the problem. Otherwise we never truly win, just lose less sometimes

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              Its one of those obstacles that appears insurmountable. They have all the money, influence, and power that they could ever ask for. What are we to do?

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                For now everyone still gets one vote.

                It’s too late to get anything going for 2024, maybe even 2028.

                But at some point we really need someone outside the two parties while we still have one vote each. We can’t just keep blindly voting our “team” no matter what, especially when our “team” doesn’t represent us.

                It’s going to suck, and it’s going to be turbulent. But if we don’t do it, we’ll keep sliding right till there’s no more elections. I don’t think progressives are going to be able to take over the Dem party, I think there’s going to have to be an actual party split for a real solution.

                I just hope people start planning more than one election ahead before it’s too late.

                We’re fighting people that plan decades ahead. We’ll never win unless we do the same.

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      don’t forget to hate the other people who were actually the ones in control. Because that machine is still running, it’s the one behind project 2025, not trump’s dumbass.

      These words should be inscribed on a monument somewhere.

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    Let’s try to make a list of where America went wrong

    1. The Louisiana Purchase: turned the nation into an expansionist empire.

    2. Andrew Jackson ignoring the rule of law so he could genocide the natives

    3. Lincoln keeping Johnson as his VP while at war with the south.

    4. Ending reconstruction early

    5. FDR not hanging the conspirators in the business plot

    6. Nixon using the Southern Strategy to win his election

    7. Ford pardoning Nixon

    8. Everything Ronald Reagan did

    9. Ruby Ridge, Waco, and NAFTA radicalization of rural Americans

    10. Supreme Court awards GWB the presidency

    11. The Iraq War

    12. Unregulated banks allowed to crash the global economy

    13. Limited US involvement in the Arab Spring fails to capitalize on popular movement, Syrian refugee crisis sends far right into overdrive

    14. Allowing the host of celebrity apprentice to be President

    15. Ignoring the COVID pandemic until it’s too late then not locking down hard enough.

    16. Supporting Israeli genocide in Gaza

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      Congress passing the Taft-Hartley act and then overriding Truman’s veto of it to enact laws to cripple unions (which made important union activities illegal, like solidarity strikes, jurisdictional strikes, and mass picketing) and basically completely fucked up unions, before Reagan went ahead and fucked them up even more than previously thought possible again

      McCarthyism

      Citizens United v. FEC

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      You missed Wilson.

      1. Created Wilsonian doctrine that led to forever wars

      2. Segregated the federal government.

      3. Wrote Southern Revisionism

      4. Fostered the second founding of the KKK

      5. Erected a bunch of statues of traitors that specifically said to never erect statues of them.

      6. Probably caused Lenin, and Stalin thereby causing Hitler and WWII plus a host of downstream knock-on effects such as The Cold War and the demonization of socialism and communism in the US.

      7. Robbed us of Teddy’s third and fourth terms in office.

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      Really, the Louisiana Purchase is the first thing you believe the US did wrong 😂.

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          Louisiana purchase was 1803, In 1619 ish slaves arrive in Virginia. Read a book you fucking absolute clown.

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            Good thing we have this expert history book reader to tell us that the first thing the UNITED STATES did wrong was import slaves into the ENGLISH COLONY of Virginia in 1619

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              Yes it predates the country and continues from day 1. You win such a big skull you must have 1776 brain cells.

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                Yes it predates the country

                It seems you have read a book in the last 2 hours, I’m glad we’re in agreement that it doesn’t involve the US then

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                  I’m not in the business of arguing with dumb fucks. Clearly when they declared indepence from England they could have freed the slaves or you know sent them back to England, because you think it was the king who owned the slaves. Do you understand or should I draw you a picture with crayon?

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    People would do well to remember just how much Ronnie Raygun ruined this country and set us on the path to the loser that is donnie.

    Even now, you’ll see gaslighting from Enlightened Centrists and people on the supposed left that Iran/Contra was not really that bad, even if it is arguably far, far worse than Watergate. But Ronnie and Bush I were given a pass on it, since America was “exhausted” or some such bullshit the “liberal media” spun at the time.

    Of course, the right are utterly unhinged when it comes to ronnie, possibly only surpassed by donnie in their worship.

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      People would do well to remember just how much Ronnie Raygun ruined this country and set us on the path to the loser that is donnie.

      Long before this article came out I was thinking about far the GOP has come between Ronald Reagan’s time and the sheer decadence and depravity of today’s GOP. Then I realized that the seeds of today’s GOP corruption went all the way back to Reagan. I remember Reagan defending Chief Justice Renquest’s daughter from a corruption scandal at the very opening of an otherwise legitimate nationwide TV address about a crisis. Reagan himself had appointed William Renquest to be Chief Justice. Janet Renquest later went on to have a bunch of other scandals.

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    As long as they don’t fix the big mistakes Reagan did, that ghost is going to haunt you forever.

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    What I find most surprising about this election is all the people talking shit about how old Trump or Biden is. Ronnie literally had advanced Alzheimer’s for the last two years of his presidency. Full stop, his mind was gone.

    The fact that our country allowed this to happen speaks volumes about what our President actually means.