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      Or, get super fucked. I mean. Those are literally the choices.

      “If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice”

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        Officially pro-slavery and officially no stance on slavery were literally the choices.

        Until they weren’t.

        The Whigs made up and influenced much of the newly formed Republican Party but the absolute inability of the Whigs to take a stance on the slavery question caused them to collapse and a new party with an actual stance on slavery take its place.

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          Okay, so when the Democratic Party collapses and a new party that actually has progressive policies takes its place, we’ll stop voting for Democrats.

          But that hasn’t happened yet, and shows zero signs of doing so.

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            A party that collapses is one people don’t keep voting for. So we will see if the Democratic Party will collapse before changing policies.

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              You don’t understand. There won’t be free and fair elections if everyone, not just the core constituencies, everyone doesn’t get out and vote Biden.

              Or maybe you understand exactly and you don’t give a crap for, let’s say, reasons.

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                I mean yeah that is the threat posed.

                Now one might think that a political party is more than the office of the president, and if that election is the only one that matters then the freedom and fairness of elections probably aren’t as prominent as once thought.

                The entire House, 20+ Democratic senators, and a dozen Democratic governors are up for election this year, and they’re having to contend with their party platform. Biden’s campaign and the whole rhetoric of not being Trump to beat Trump does not extend beyond the presidential ticket. It is acting as a dead weight for the entire party.

                Keeping control of Congress should be a bit more important to the conversation because we are facing down a filibuster, if not veto proof GOP Congress.