“Israel presents itself as an LGBT haven in the region, but for Palestinians it offers neither refuge nor solidarity”

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    5 months ago

    That’s a more coherent argument I suppose but it’s a pretty racist one. There’s no shortage of Christian majority nations where homosexuality is criminalized. Would the people making that argument feel the same way about Ukraine for example?

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        5 months ago

        It’s a Christian majority though, which is in line with the argument as presented.

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          5 months ago

          It’s far more friendly to LGBT people than other Christian countries like Serbia or Russia

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            The argument is “Muslim majority countries tend to criminalize homosexuality so you shouldn’t support Palestine because it’s likely to do the same”. The current state of gay rights there isn’t relevant to the argument and not what I’m trying to draw a parallel to with the comparison.

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                5 months ago

                Maybe that’s the one you want to make but it’s not the one I was commenting on.

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                  5 months ago

                  Yes it was you were just trying to be manipulative with your answer, hamas are actively homophobic and part of an islamist movement which is incredibly homophobic - pretending not to understand this is absurd.

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                    I have never claimed that they weren’t those things. You are arguing against what you want me to say, rather than what i actually wrote.

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                  5 months ago

                  Sure, you can defeat the strawman argument. But can we attempt at discussing the strongman argument?

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                    If you want to discuss that go right ahead. I have not made any claim that contradicts that and have no interest in arguing against it. I suggest you do so with someone who has and does.