David Attenborough voice: “We see here an ‘internet troll’ employing a strategy known as ‘whataboutism’. It shows that it’s desperate, and feels threatened by a stronger opponent.”
Refusing to make the optimal play when lives are on the line isn’t brave, good, or noble. If you increase the danger of others to preserve your sense of pride, innocence, or purity then you commit a deep evil.
I don’t want Biden to be president. So I’m not going to vote for him. It really is that simple. If the Democrats want my vote, they need to earn it by running a worthy candidate. My vote shouldn’t be taken for granted.
Anti-fascism means doing everything we’re able to stop fascism
Being against genocide means doing what we can to shift the probability of genocide increasing as low as possible. If you can’t put your petty feelings aside for long enough to push a few buttons, you shouldn’t call yourself either.It’s not about you.
Refusing to make the optimal play when lives are on the line isn’t brave, good, or noble.
I never claimed to be brave, good or noble. Personally I think we’re all pigs in the mud at this point.
But frankly it’s irrelevant. I’m not voting for Biden again. Find some other way to elect your geriatric procorporate genocide supporting trash candidate.
Do you really want me to answer that for you? Is it really that hard to think for yourself?
Alright then… You get either one or the other, there’s no way out of that whether you make a choice or not. Wouldn’t you still want to influence the choice so you get the one that hurts a lot less?
I mean at that point you struggle to escape, but assuming that’s definitely not possible, then sharp sticks hurt less. 🤷♂️ “Optimal” does not necessarily mean “good” or “desirable”.
Voting for someone in an election in the US is not an endorsement of that person. You have effectively two choices in many of the elections due to how the system is designed. You vote for the best choice of those two.
Not voting, or voting for a non viable candidate, is a signal that you Do Not Care who is in power.
Voting is a tool, and a civic duty. It’s one of the few ways US society allows direct input from citizens.
If you actually are against facism, don’t use misguided idealism to encourage people to throw away the little political power they have.
Advocating that people vote third party supports genocide more than quietly voting for Biden because you increase the probability of more genocide, while voting for Biden decreases the probability of more genocide.
This relies on the assumption that Trump wants to commit more genocide.
I don’t think Trump will enable more genocide in Gaza than Biden. In fact, I think Trump will withdrawal all support for Ukraine and Israel to focus on starting to genocide the Chinese.
That’s your prerogative, just recognize that if both options support genocide and block strikes, so you chose to vote for a non viable candidate, or to not vote, you’re effectively disenfranchising yourself.
Your last point is very valid though. The DNC is very good at shooting themselves in the foot because they should know very well that people do get demotivated and just stop voting, yet continue to distance themselves from their voter base, resting on their laurels as “the only sane choice out of the two”.
Supporting local candidates, where your vote also is more heavily weighted, is one of the ways to shift policy - the US govt isnt just the president, it’s representatives and senators and state governments.
Right now the Democratic Party’s convention and local election Primaries haven’t happened. Best that can be done is to influence the party platform through this primary season to influence or change what a ‘typical’ Democrat may be.
There’s a massive influx of money right now going towards keeping typical Democrats in line with Israel. So it appears that will predictably be a prevailing issue one way or another.
So like: most of my local elections usually feature Democrats v Democrats so I’ll likely opt for the non-Zionist or at least the less Zionist of the two. That may send a message for the winner of the Presidential ticket, if anything.
But what if I don’t want a typical Democrat in office either?
What if you really want a warm hug but you only have the choice between a poke in the eye with a sharp stick and not a poke in the eye?
You still choose “not a poke in the eye”, dumbo.
How about the people who keep voting against the warm hug in the primaries get some of these lectures? Is that an option at some point?
David Attenborough voice: “We see here an ‘internet troll’ employing a strategy known as ‘whataboutism’. It shows that it’s desperate, and feels threatened by a stronger opponent.”
What stronger opponent? You and Biden want me to vote for him again. I’m not going to.
Refusing to make the optimal play when lives are on the line isn’t brave, good, or noble. If you increase the danger of others to preserve your sense of pride, innocence, or purity then you commit a deep evil.
I don’t want Biden to be president. So I’m not going to vote for him. It really is that simple. If the Democrats want my vote, they need to earn it by running a worthy candidate. My vote shouldn’t be taken for granted.
Hey me too.
Anti-fascism means doing everything we’re able to stop fascism Being against genocide means doing what we can to shift the probability of genocide increasing as low as possible. If you can’t put your petty feelings aside for long enough to push a few buttons, you shouldn’t call yourself either. It’s not about you.
Wait which one is the genocidal maniac? I can’t keep up
What happened to Lemmy being a leftie safehaven?
I never claimed to be brave, good or noble. Personally I think we’re all pigs in the mud at this point.
But frankly it’s irrelevant. I’m not voting for Biden again. Find some other way to elect your geriatric procorporate genocide supporting trash candidate.
Yes, during the primaries.
Well they didn’t listen. What happens afterwards is on them.
What if the options are sharp stick or dull stick?
Do you really want me to answer that for you? Is it really that hard to think for yourself?
Alright then… You get either one or the other, there’s no way out of that whether you make a choice or not. Wouldn’t you still want to influence the choice so you get the one that hurts a lot less?
I mean at that point you struggle to escape, but assuming that’s definitely not possible, then sharp sticks hurt less. 🤷♂️ “Optimal” does not necessarily mean “good” or “desirable”.
Voting for someone in an election in the US is not an endorsement of that person. You have effectively two choices in many of the elections due to how the system is designed. You vote for the best choice of those two.
Not voting, or voting for a non viable candidate, is a signal that you Do Not Care who is in power.
Voting is a tool, and a civic duty. It’s one of the few ways US society allows direct input from citizens.
If you actually are against facism, don’t use misguided idealism to encourage people to throw away the little political power they have.
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Advocating that people vote third party supports genocide more than quietly voting for Biden because you increase the probability of more genocide, while voting for Biden decreases the probability of more genocide.
This relies on the assumption that Trump wants to commit more genocide.
I don’t think Trump will enable more genocide in Gaza than Biden. In fact, I think Trump will withdrawal all support for Ukraine and Israel to focus on starting to genocide the Chinese.
So, in other words, you’re saying that Trump wants to commit more genocide, and the assumption is correct?
Quite possibly. My comment wasn’t intended as a refutation.
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Fortunately you have to be a US citizen to vote in the election, so we don’t have to worry about your opinion.
And yet, here you are.
Yes, I’m a US citizen and I care about my country. So I am here in a topic about the US elections.
Why are you here?
To provide documented evidence that you were warned. We do not vote for strike blocking genocide supporting candidates. This is non negotiable.
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No. Stop trying to dissuade people in a different country than your own to vote.
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Clown
Okay here’s my input: I don’t vote for people who support genocides or block strikes.
If you want my vote work for it.
That’s your prerogative, just recognize that if both options support genocide and block strikes, so you chose to vote for a non viable candidate, or to not vote, you’re effectively disenfranchising yourself.
Your last point is very valid though. The DNC is very good at shooting themselves in the foot because they should know very well that people do get demotivated and just stop voting, yet continue to distance themselves from their voter base, resting on their laurels as “the only sane choice out of the two”.
Supporting local candidates, where your vote also is more heavily weighted, is one of the ways to shift policy - the US govt isnt just the president, it’s representatives and senators and state governments.
Boycotting is also very patriotic
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Right now the Democratic Party’s convention and local election Primaries haven’t happened. Best that can be done is to influence the party platform through this primary season to influence or change what a ‘typical’ Democrat may be.
There’s a massive influx of money right now going towards keeping typical Democrats in line with Israel. So it appears that will predictably be a prevailing issue one way or another.
So like: most of my local elections usually feature Democrats v Democrats so I’ll likely opt for the non-Zionist or at least the less Zionist of the two. That may send a message for the winner of the Presidential ticket, if anything.