The universe didn’t force you not to believe in magic. You could have spent your whole life believing magnets are magical stones, that the electromagnetic force is magical energy, and that computer engineers are wizards who conjure spirits from magic. And you could have been 100% factually and scientifically correct.

But you chose to believe that magic is by definition not real, because you didn’t want to live in a world of whimsy and wonder. You defined magic as supernatural, in opposition to the natural world. While every scientist knows that nature is just a word for everything that exists. You chose to define magic in a way that it wouldn’t exist, denying it through tautology and not through science.

Why did you choose that?

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    5 months ago

    And how do you know that? Through magic?

    If you have issue with me using only 12 - 18 centuries old definitions, I welcome you to have this talk in pre-christian times, although I might be busy then.

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      See, this is why I often say that white atheists are culturally Christian. You guys are so unwilling to step outside the set of definitions and the worldview of Christianity. You believe in everything except the god. And I assure you, there’s a lot more to Christianity than just the god. There’s a whole philosophy to how the world works that white atheists entirely accept without question. And you, right here, are openly unwilling to reject a Christian definition of magic as ineffable. You know that the reason Christians decided magic was ineffable was cause they say their god is, right? The entire reason you’re taking your current stance in this argument is that you’re parroting a Christian theological assertion.

      This community might as well be called Christian Memes based on the average user demographic.