Liberals don’t think the Soviets won the Cold War, older ones just often can’t move past it, and the Heritage Foundation fucking loves free trade and hates anything close to social democracy, so when even they rank the Nordics as free trade friendly it means even they don’t feel comfortable lying that they aren’t.
And they fucking love lying about anything left of Mussolini.
Nordic countries aren’t socialist, in that workers don’t own all the means of production, but they own much more than countries that are often labeled as socialist, such as Venezuela and even China. As the Norwegian government describes it, “It is the people’s money, owned by everyone, divided equally and for generations to come.”
In Norway and Finland, the state is the largest employer, running the largest financial firm, mobile telecom, oil, and other modern industries. 1 in 3 people work for the government. The value of state-owned companies in Norway is well over 3/4 of the GDP, and worker rights in all Nordic countries far outpace those in any English-speaking plutocracy.
I’m guessing you’re familiar with Nordic model welfare and high tax rates. They also fund inventions, the type that are useful to humanity.
I can think of several reasons far-right think tanks attempt to attribute Nordic model’s success to the “free market” 😉
Their “economic freedom” index is a bit of weird one. If you look at their methodology section you’ll note they simply do not care that much about who exactly owns the industries, or at least it’s not weighted particularly significantly, as long as it is possible to invest in the country and that property is protected.
If you, in theory, had a country where 99% of the economy was controlled by the government but there was nothing stopping a capitalist building a factory or whatever there and trying to sell a better product that would presumably be a “free market” as far as the index is concerned.
The index doesn’t really care that much if the government does stuff, unlike your ancap types. It’s mostly weighted against regulation, sensible or otherwise.
Of course, one might note that some of their pillars are absolutely subjective measurements, and if you told me they put their fingers on the scales in favor of the whitest people alive that wouldn’t be particularly surprising.
I’ve read their methodology several times, the actual one on their page! It changes often! I used to defend them when I was a young libertarian lad, but even then I was frustrated by their subjectivity. They don’t even factor in government ownership of wealth.
Ben Burgis has a good takedown of both Heritage and Fraser’s “freedom” indices, the main point being that little of their methodology has to do with anything libertarians or socialists would argue about, and is instead heavily weighted around things like Integrity of the legal system and Impartial courts, and other metrics that aren’t unique indicators of a free market. Heritage will claim these as qualities for a healthy business atmosphere, but they bias the index toward functioning, high gdp-per-capita societies. I think that bias is intentional.
If you read the index and think “wow, all the most livable countries have high free market ratings” then it’s working as intended.
What are you talking about?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Map_of_countries_by_Index_of_Economic_Freedom_(2023).svg
Ah yes a metric from the Heritage foundation, very academic. These countries with large nationalized industries are the most capitalist! 🤪
I’m talking about you, the memester, not knowing who won the cold war.
I don’t think you have as good a grasp of the assumptions underlying this meme as you think you do.
OK please enlighten me
Sure.
Liberals don’t think the Soviets won the Cold War, older ones just often can’t move past it, and the Heritage Foundation fucking loves free trade and hates anything close to social democracy, so when even they rank the Nordics as free trade friendly it means even they don’t feel comfortable lying that they aren’t.
And they fucking love lying about anything left of Mussolini.
Nordic countries aren’t socialist, in that workers don’t own all the means of production, but they own much more than countries that are often labeled as socialist, such as Venezuela and even China. As the Norwegian government describes it, “It is the people’s money, owned by everyone, divided equally and for generations to come.”
In Norway and Finland, the state is the largest employer, running the largest financial firm, mobile telecom, oil, and other modern industries. 1 in 3 people work for the government. The value of state-owned companies in Norway is well over 3/4 of the GDP, and worker rights in all Nordic countries far outpace those in any English-speaking plutocracy.
I’m guessing you’re familiar with Nordic model welfare and high tax rates. They also fund inventions, the type that are useful to humanity.
I can think of several reasons far-right think tanks attempt to attribute Nordic model’s success to the “free market” 😉
Ah, there’s the miscommunication.
https://www.heritage.org/index/pages/about
Their “economic freedom” index is a bit of weird one. If you look at their methodology section you’ll note they simply do not care that much about who exactly owns the industries, or at least it’s not weighted particularly significantly, as long as it is possible to invest in the country and that property is protected.
If you, in theory, had a country where 99% of the economy was controlled by the government but there was nothing stopping a capitalist building a factory or whatever there and trying to sell a better product that would presumably be a “free market” as far as the index is concerned.
The index doesn’t really care that much if the government does stuff, unlike your ancap types. It’s mostly weighted against regulation, sensible or otherwise.
Of course, one might note that some of their pillars are absolutely subjective measurements, and if you told me they put their fingers on the scales in favor of the whitest people alive that wouldn’t be particularly surprising.
I’ve read their methodology several times, the actual one on their page! It changes often! I used to defend them when I was a young libertarian lad, but even then I was frustrated by their subjectivity. They don’t even factor in government ownership of wealth.
Ben Burgis has a good takedown of both Heritage and Fraser’s “freedom” indices, the main point being that little of their methodology has to do with anything libertarians or socialists would argue about, and is instead heavily weighted around things like Integrity of the legal system and Impartial courts, and other metrics that aren’t unique indicators of a free market. Heritage will claim these as qualities for a healthy business atmosphere, but they bias the index toward functioning, high gdp-per-capita societies. I think that bias is intentional.
If you read the index and think “wow, all the most livable countries have high free market ratings” then it’s working as intended.