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    How can they say they love Israel but also say Jews run everything and be generally negative towards Jews here?

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      “Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy.”

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      It’s a common tactic with fascist regimes. Nazis used to do it with Jewish propaganda by simultaneously claiming that Jews were weak vermin that needed to be exterminated and that they are this supervillain that controls all the money.

      You currently see it a lot with the people chanting “Genocide Joe” and claiming he is some mastermind warhawk with at the same time claiming that he is some feeble, senile old man. He’s Schrödinger’s politician!

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        Ah I remember the days of “Obama, The Weak-Willed Tyrant” an incompetent man with a genius level intellect according to Fox News…

        Edit: For context, I’m talking about 2008-2015ish when the Right claimed Obama was too soft to stand up to America’s enemies and was this “weak child of a man”, and that he was also this evil corrupt tyrant who gave no one an inch, claiming him to be a moron and yet also a diabolical mastermind plotting the Muslim Takeover of America

        The amount of Racism was fucking unreal. Especially down here in the South, I rolled my eyes at a lot of “Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim!” in 2012

        Obama’s not even Arabic! Why the fuck did everyone think he was a muslim? And even if he was, who fucking cares?

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          Do you remember during the 2008 campaign when there was criticism over Obama’s pastor being too outspoken in his church? In back to back segments fox would reflect on Obama’s dangerous version of Christianity while also saying he was a Muslim…

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          Why the fuck did everyone think he was a muslim?

          Barack Hussein Obama

          I don’t know man. You tell me.

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          So what do you think the Republican leadership hopeful Nikki Haley meant by writing “finish them” on an Israeli bomb?

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              That’s almost the most evasive thing you could have said. The question was what do you think the Republican leadership hopeful Nikki Haley meant by writing “finish them” on an Israeli bomb?

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                That they’re as genocidal as the Democrats.

                That doesn’t make Biden a criminal mastermind playing 4d chess, it makes him a head of state who supports it.

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                  You’re equating Biden, who said don’t bomb Rafah with Hayley who said kill them all? Riiiiight.

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                    “Ooohhh don’t bomb them with the bombs we gave you we’ll do nothing if you do despite multiple laws requiring us to not keep giving you bombs ohhhh noooo”

                    And you people wonder why the actual left keeps muttering about what happens when you get scratched, lul.

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          I feel like that may be true also, but I was referring to the groups pushing the agenda/propaganda, not the ones being affected by it. The ones propagandizing doublethink are the big issue IMO.

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      Not sure on their current thinking but the root of that line of thinking predates Israel: European nationalist antisemites would say “Jews don’t have a homeland that’s why they’re wrecking havoc everywhere else, they’re jealous”.

      Overall, in general, zionist antisemitism is a thing.

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        Also some Christians believe the rapture will only come after Israel is back in the hands of the Jews. Since it hasn’t happened already, they might think that it has to be completely in the hands of the Jews. It might be about Jerusalem instead of all of Israel.

        So they can still hate them while wanting them to fulfill their “prophecy”. Once they control whatever land some Bible contributor says they need to control, then God will punish them while rewarding all the good white folks in a way that lets them skip the whole scary dying thing.

        Not sure if this specific asshole subscribes to that belief, it might just be normal Nazism (the Nazis wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar before understanding that you can’t just send a large group of people to some other location without some kind of military conquest, which is part of why they called the Holocaust the “final solution”).