Trump has waffled on whether the Israel-Gaza war should end. But speaking to wealthy donors behind closed doors, he said that he supports Israel’s right to continue “its war on terror.”

Former president Donald Trump promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, telling a roomful of donors — a group that he joked included “98 percent of my Jewish friends” — that he would expel student demonstrators from the United States, according to participants in the roundtable event with him in New York.

  • jumjummy@lemmy.world
    21·
    6 months ago

    You are either a Russian disinformation agent, or a completely naive, and foolish person. Surprising how you think the Palestinians dying in Gaza is the “worst ethnic cleansing campaign of our generation”. Take a look at some countries in Africa (Sudan and Darfur region specifically) if you want to see some truly atrocious numbers.

    • kava@lemmy.world
      5·
      6 months ago

      Tell me where in Sudan you had some of the most densely populated urbanized places in the world carpet bombed and 2 million people tossed around and ping ponged around from evacuation to evacuation - all committed by a supposed democratic advanced country? Even worse- a key ally of the US? Nation who cares about human rights, egalitarianism, etc?

      Darfur genocide happened 20 years ago over the course of years. Gaza we haven’t even seen a year yet. You want to argue semantics about what generation means? You want to compare and contrast? Did you see the US president get on TV and hug a warlord with tears in his eyes as F16s dropped MK84 bombs onto women and children like Biden did with his precious Bibi?

      Let’s see. Maybe you are the disinformation agent. Trying to muddy the waters. Make it seem a little less bad. Very easy to say to discredit, yeah? You are a bot. Part of pro-Israel hasbara campaign. You’re a shill, a dope, a duntz

      Look I did it too. I’m so tired of this nonsense online. This all started around 2016.

      • jumjummy@lemmy.world
        8·
        6 months ago

        So after all that text, what is your suggestion come November? Pontificate all you want, but short of voting for Biden, you are supporting, either directly or indirectly, a Trump presidency, and if that becomes the case the situation is Gaza will only become worse.

        So you are nothing but a naive fool with no actual solutions or suggestions, just fairy tale “I wish this isn’t how reality works”

        • Xerø@infosec.pub
          3·
          6 months ago

          Nothing naive about it “your vote, your choice” is still valid even today. You may not like the fact that progressives and independents don’t toe the party line but you need to learn to accept differing viewpoints. No one attacked you, they just stated their opinions and you immediately went on the offensive.

          • jumjummy@lemmy.world
            1·
            6 months ago

            It is completely naive since, again, come November there are only 4 choices: 1. Vote for Biden, 2. Vote for Trump, 3. Vote 3rd party, or 4. Don’t vote.

            So tell me what option is a so-called progressive going to choose that doesn’t directly or indirectly help Trump? At that point, in the ballot box, no more “would have” or “should haves”. There are only 4 choices.

            This is why I call options other than option 1 naive because 2, 3, and 4 benefit Trump.

            Does the electoral college system suck? YES! Do we wish we had a more progressive and left-leaning candidate from the Democrats? YES! Do we wish either of the options were not old men? YES! And would a Trump presidency be absolutely catastrophic for the US and the rest of the Wedtern world? YES!!

            Given these realities, it’s either a naive or disinformation / burn-it-to-the-ground approach you’re pushing for.

            • Jentu
              3·
              6 months ago

              Your vote isn’t the entirety of your voice though. If you telegraph that you will vote for Biden this far out, Biden’s campaign advisors probably won’t tell him that reversing course is the best decision for his reelection. If you say you will not vote for him due to Gaza, even if you secretly plan on voting for him, you have more power to change their policy and help Palestinians as a whole. This doesn’t have to be a discussion on trump vs Biden. This can be about trying to strategically pivot Biden in a way that avoids getting arrested because trump sure as hell isn’t going to fix things.

            • Xerø@infosec.pub
              1·
              6 months ago

              So dissenters are crazy or evil instead of just being principled? Good to know. Blocking you now.