More than a thousand Harvard students walked out of their commencement ceremony yesterday to support 13 undergraduates who were barred from graduating after they participated in the Gaza solidarity encampment in Harvard Yard. Asmer Safi, one of the 13 pro-Palestinian student protesters barred from graduating, says that while his future has been thrown into uncertainty while he is on probation, he has no regrets about standing up for Palestinian rights. “This is an ethical stance that we’re taking,” Safi says. We also hear from history professor Alison Frank Johnson, one of over 100 faculty members who voted to confer degrees on the 13 seniors, who describes Harvard’s punishment of them as an “egregious departure from past precedent,” as was the board’s subsequent overruling of faculty. “We hoped then that the Corporation, as it has always done in the past, would accept our recommendations for degree recipients and allow the 13 to graduate, which they chose not to do.”
More than a thousand Harvard students walked out of their commencement ceremony yesterday to support 13 undergraduates who were barred from graduating after they participated in the Gaza solidarity encampment in Harvard Yard.
Asmer Safi, one of the 13 pro-Palestinian student protesters barred from graduating, says that while his future has been thrown into uncertainty while he is on probation, he has no regrets about standing up for Palestinian rights.
Why do you think that you’re not an outlier when it comes to recognizing, again, one of the most prestigious universities in the world which is responsible for dozens of Nobel prizes?
Ok, this is just disconnected from reality. Most people in the US haven’t heard of Caltech, let alone a foreign university. Maybe Oxford, but that’s not at all certain. The average person knows Harvard and MIT because they’re in movies, whatever big school is closest to them, and a some sports schools.
Sorbonne is #48 in the US News global rankings. Pretty good! But well behind the weakly known Caltech (#9) or the top ranked Harvard (#1). The next highest rated US school above Sorbonne is the University of Pittsburgh. No one would ever say “just swap your Harvard degree for Pitt, it’ll open similar doors”. And this is on a list that’s largely judged by people in academia who have a wide familiarity with schools. Ask a random American whether Utrecht University (#44) is a good school and they’ll have no idea. They’re unlikely to even known Utrecht is a city.
If you want to show me actual evidence to support your claim that most Americans haven’t heard of it, go for it. Good luck.
Anyway, we’re not talking about the average person. We’re talking about the sort of person who hires Harvard graduates. If they don’t know about really good universities in other countries, they really suck at their job when they’re hiring people at the high end like that. So if you want to claim HR people who hire Harvard graduates suck at their jobs… well, good luck.
Holy fuck, no we’re not. This will be the third time the second line saying such explicitly has passed before your eyes. People exploit degrees for things other than getting hired.
And it’s not just hiring where prestige can be useful, it’s business pitches, op-eds, political speaking. These aren’t things universally judged by HR managers who, making the assumption they’re even good at their job, might recognize elite foreign institutions, they’re judged by everyday people who might not even be able to name the full top 10 US-based universities, but know the name “Harvard”.
I’m done. You’ve repeatedly shown yourself to be unwilling to actually engage in anything I’ve written and have some odd fantasy about the notoriously well-informed American public.
And it’s not just hiring where prestige can be useful, it’s business pitches, op-eds, political speaking. These aren’t things universally judged by HR managers … , they’re judged by everyday people who might not even be able to name the full top 10 US-based universities, but know the name “Harvard”.
Why do you think that you’re not an outlier when it comes to recognizing, again, one of the most prestigious universities in the world which is responsible for dozens of Nobel prizes?
Again, answer my questions. I’ve humored you long enough for someone unwilling to address the text I’ve written.
Okay, to answer your questions:
I don’t. I think most people have heard of La Sorbonne. You just hadn’t.
I don’t. I think most people have heard of La Sorbonne. You just hadn’t.
Please apply that answer to all of your other questions too.
Ok, this is just disconnected from reality. Most people in the US haven’t heard of Caltech, let alone a foreign university. Maybe Oxford, but that’s not at all certain. The average person knows Harvard and MIT because they’re in movies, whatever big school is closest to them, and a some sports schools.
Sorbonne is #48 in the US News global rankings. Pretty good! But well behind the weakly known Caltech (#9) or the top ranked Harvard (#1). The next highest rated US school above Sorbonne is the University of Pittsburgh. No one would ever say “just swap your Harvard degree for Pitt, it’ll open similar doors”. And this is on a list that’s largely judged by people in academia who have a wide familiarity with schools. Ask a random American whether Utrecht University (#44) is a good school and they’ll have no idea. They’re unlikely to even known Utrecht is a city.
If you want to show me actual evidence to support your claim that most Americans haven’t heard of it, go for it. Good luck.
Anyway, we’re not talking about the average person. We’re talking about the sort of person who hires Harvard graduates. If they don’t know about really good universities in other countries, they really suck at their job when they’re hiring people at the high end like that. So if you want to claim HR people who hire Harvard graduates suck at their jobs… well, good luck.
Holy fuck, no we’re not. This will be the third time the second line saying such explicitly has passed before your eyes. People exploit degrees for things other than getting hired.
I’m done. You’ve repeatedly shown yourself to be unwilling to actually engage in anything I’ve written and have some odd fantasy about the notoriously well-informed American public.
Got it. You’re making the “HR people suck at their jobs” argument.
I like how you keep leaving out the first part of that post as if you never said it.