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      Hopefully it less hormonal side affects than the female pill. But yeah having an extra level of protection will be nice.

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        “Extra Level”? It’s more about taking the burden off the women for me. Why do they, and only they, always have to mess up their bodies?

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          Obviously it depends on the relationship and how risk averse you both are. But yeah why not both? Seems like a pretty good way to be really sure!

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              Sucks you’re being down voted, I mean maybe saying “idiot-proof” isn’t nice but comprehensive sex ed should cover helping those with a noodle understand how to find ones that fit comfortably and what main causes there are for breakage n whatnot. I’m currently having that discussion with my sex buddy, and I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve had people try to coerce me into letting them go raw dog in the past. Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.

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                Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.

                Bummer.

                2/3 of the states will follow in another year. That’s what happens when we elect people no matter how badly they do their jobs.

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                  I’m not voting for this scum, but yeah, we’ll see. Hoping it’ll make it to the ballot so the people can actually vote to amend the state constitution like others have. The people may be dumb at electing Representatives, but get a straight forward measure up for vote and the people seem to follow through in correcting it.

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              They’re 100% effective, the only reason there said to be 99% effective is to prevent lawsuits from people using then incorrectly.

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                I’m a human, I can make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I’ve had friend couples I know get pregnant even though they’re “professional condom putters onners”.

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                  It’s not the condom’s fault if you make a mistake. Condom material doesn’t let sperm through, it’s that simple, it’s been used incorrectly if it did. Companies don’t want to lose time and money with lawsuits hence 99%.

                  Also, anecdotal evidence while you weren’t in bed with them isn’t much of a proof, it’s as valid as me telling you I’ve never got any girl pregnant even when we weren’t using any protection therefore pulling out is 100% effective.

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          we can finally share the load and mess up everyone because of not affording babies!

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            yeah, not wanting 10 children is a matter of cost, of course. It’s baffling to me how unreflected and naive opinions regarding reproduction still are…

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              Right? I’m at the point where I can’t possibly fathom the thought process of bringing a child into this world.

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                I’ve got one, but I wouldn’t want another one every year, and I certainly would not want to stop having fun times with the wife either…

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              i was half joking but i use contraceptives because i cant afford one.

              i’m not even thinking about 10 and never will.

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          What do you mean by always? The birth control makes sense because it’s much harder to do it for men because sperm is constantly being produced and women only release 1 egg per month. What other ways do women have to mess up their bodies?

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            Oh, wow, do you come off as uninformed! Birth control for women has tons and tons of side effects, and it’s in no way easier to prevent successful ovulation than it is to prevent fertile sperm production. In fact, birth control drugs for men have been repeatedly blocked by regulators for having too many side effects, while those side effects pretty closely mirror those of the pill for women. So, interfering with everything from blood pressure to appetite is acceptable when women are affected, but can’t be burdened upon men?

            Interrupting the ovulation cycle comes at great cost for the body. All the “non-hormonal” ways of birth control we have (except the condom) require either poisonous metals and foreign objects to be pushed inside the uterus, increasing the risk for cysts, causing pain, and regular checkups and painful procedures to be applied or fitted (diaphragm). Or toxins to be applied straight into a woman’s private parts (spermicides). Calendar-based methods and “pulling out” have large margins of error, as have condoms.

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              Do the copper IEDs have negative side effects? I thought the objection to those was purely moral.

              Edit: I meant IUD lol

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                My wife got repeated infections and had a lot of pain from the copper iud.

                If you go looking for testimonials you’ll find numerous people who had bad experiences with it.

                Also, they really should offer anesthetic or at least a powerful painkiller for the insertion and removal procedures. Doctors act like it’s no big deal, but it’s very painful.

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                  Yet another case of the medical industry not caring one iota about women and women’s ability to identify what is going on with their own bodies. The number of times I’ve heard of doctors dismissing women’s pain and issues makes me want to scream.

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                Yep.

                Firstly: Disregarding the discomfort of having to see the doctor and having something shoved inside your body is a weird mistake, especially men tend to make regularly when talking about those things. Having your genitals exposed to and then painfully tampered with by what is ultimately a stranger isn’t a thing most people would describe as a pleasant afternoon activity.

                The side effects aren’t just from hormones. Imagine having to do a prostate exam every 6 months and a metal plug shoved close to your prostate through your urethra every few years (not the same, of course, just an attempt at an analogy, since men are one hole short down there). Wouldn’t you dislike that? Many women are really sensitive around their cervix and implanting the IUD can therefore be really painful.

                Secondly: Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people, and there are hints that those IUDs can increase the risk for cysts, which in turn cause issues, pain and sometimes need surgical removal.

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                  Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people

                  The two women I dated that had an implanted IUD legit didn’t have a period anymore. So not only was the bleeding and cramps not worse, they simply didn’t exist.

                  You honestly seem to just trying to be pushing some agenda, possibly because you had a bad experience and you’re assuming that’s just the way it is for everyone, when the reality is it’s pretty rare.

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                IEDs have very negative effects, but you wouldn’t really call them side-effects.

                And IUDs involve surgery which has its own risks including perforating the uterus, plus they can become infected and cause sepsis which is deadly, plus in general infections suck. Some women suffer immense pain which may or may not be ignored by their doctors. They also do release hormones which have fewer side effects because they’re more local, but they’re not side effect free.

                Many of these issues were much worse in the earlier days, where many women died or suffered serious illness and permanent infertility whilst doctors didn’t take them seriously because women are often ignored by doctors where men would not be. So the level of safety the devices now have was bought with a lot of women’s unnecessary suffering.

                https://www.verywellhealth.com/iud-risks-and-complications-906766

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              I know it has many side effects. My girfriend suffered many of them when she was taking the pill and I had to beg her to stop because it just was not worth it.

              And fuck off of course it’s easier to stop ovulation than sperm production. It’s a numbers game. Also not like I fucking made hormonal birth control. What we have now is bad and you can go ahead and find a better alternative with less side effects. That does not mean the new birth control should also have side effects. Take issue with the people that approved the current ones.

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                A “numbers game”? Do you think there are little men in your balls, strangulating every sperm cell when it’s formed? Or… do you think the pill works by somehow interfering with the ovum itself?

                Because it doesn’t. Quite the opposite. Just as male contraception methods don’t try to kill sperm, but to shut down the factory. Besides: You cannot measure the difficulty or complexity of medical procedures by how many cells are affected. By that logic, brain surgery would be way easier to do than amputating a leg.

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                  What I meant is that it’s easier to ensure it works being a numbers game. If you constantly have new sperm being made it’s way harder to shut that down consistently than to stop one egg releasing once per month.

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                  Woah there, you shouldn’t berate someone, belittling them for being “too young” and then act like a child in the supermarket when they didn’t get the Matchbox Car they wanted. Jeez!

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              Honestly, as glad as this article makes me, I’d still like to see a perfect birth control for women. Periods seem like they must be the worst part of being a woman (biologically, not socially). Having a temporary, reversible way to stop ovulation without fucking up a dozen related systems and causing physical and mental anguish would be nice.

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            Forgetting about pregnancy and childbirth perhaps? I take it that they meant those things fuck up women’s bodies pretty severely sometimes. It’s a tough struggle to recover from pregnancy and childbirth, and some never do.

            But apart from that, birth control should be an equal burden, IMO.

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          The hippocratic oath, in this case. Medicine is all about risk management, the worse the “disease,” the more tolerant we are of side effects for the cure. Pregnancy and birth are still pretty traumatic events that, while much safer than they used to be, are still dangerous. Female BC just has to be less risky than that. Male BC on the other hand, has to be as low the risk for a man impregnating a woman, which is to say, almost zero. Pretty much any negative side effect is worse than that, so it’s very difficult to pass. I would gladly take one with comparable side effects to female BC, but sometimes unflinching ethics are inconvenient. Better than the alternative, but still.

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            Somehow, we manage to accept organ transplants despite it hurting one healthy person a little to help an unhealthy person a lot. What’s stopping us from treating birth control the same way?

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            It’s medical ethics, not the Hippocratic Oath. Most doctors swear to an ethical standard. Besides, “first, do no harm” is a bit unhelpful if you’re a surgeon.

            Otherwise you’re right, the risks of pregnancy outweigh the side effects of birth control, which is why birth control for women doesn’t have as high a standard for mitigating other consequences.

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            The Hippocratic oath is not a thing in most countries and not applicable anyway. If it was, kidney transplants would be done without a doctor present (in the US that is, don’t overestimate your little made up oath ritual internationally)

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      Same. I’ve always preferred to be in full control of my own contraception, mostly because I just don’t trust anyone else with something that consequential

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        Will definitely be awesome when all parties have comfortable, reliable, safe options to protect themselves

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      Agreed. Always better to unload the gun rather than try to stop it with armor

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      How was the recovery process? I keep meaning to do it (we’re done having kids), but we keep having trips or whatever, so excuses pile up.

      How soon could I be back doing active things? I have young kids, so “active” to me means roughhousing with the kids and whatnot.

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        My recovery was honestly pretty bad. I was bed-ridden for about 2 weeks, then 8-ish months of aching pain all day every day. Not actually sure when it finally cleared up, I just realized I hadn’t felt the pain in a while. My first nut was about a month after the procedure, and that was also a very unpleasant experience.

        My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.

        That said, I still 100% recommend getting it done.

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          but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives

          EVEN AFTER REVERSING THE PROCEDURE

          Look, it’s SUPER rare. We still drive cars even though, using my state of California as an example, eight of us die on the roads every day.

          But…

          I could never forgive myself if my groin hurt thirty years from now because of a singular & highly-optional decision I made today.

          Same with LASIK - some have dry eyes forever afterwards. Nooooooo

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          My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.

          Dang that sucks your urologist / surgeon didn’t let you know about this. Mine was very clear that though it is rare (was quoted 1% which seems kind high to me) he doesn’t recommend going through with the procedure if you have testicular pain in your day to day as it could be a risk factor for having permanent pain afterwards

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          I knew a guy who didn’t respond to the local anesthesia, and could feel the whole thing, and his doctor didn’t believe him.

          Even he didn’t regret it.

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          Mine was rough too, about 6 months before I was normal.

          Not a single fucking regret

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            I’m so sorry, that’s horrid! I have multiple friends who came home with no pain, didn’t do cum for a few weeks, and basically didn’t even notice anything.

            That’s so fucking horrible, I wish you had a much better experience. At least you can dump in the gut eternally with no worries, though.

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        Make sure you get your own pain medication ahead of time. Mine was apparently worse than the other replies, and the doctor being stingy about meds made it needlessly terrible.

        No I don’t otherwise do opiates. Doctors are just stingy because of the people who are on opiates.

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          Good advice. I’ve never had surgery outside of wisdom teeth removal, and other than then, I’ve never used anything stronger than ibuprofen. I’ve taken some pretty rough spills, so I think I have a high pain tolerance, but I don’t know for sure.

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        Pretty quick.

        My kids are currently 5 and 2 had my vasectomy about 6 months after the second (wanted sooner but no appointments available, and it’s first consult then another appointment).

        Toughest thing for me was the second day. Day of I was given Valium, procedure was easy peasy. I’d call it a few days of discomfort, just plan to take it easy.

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        Not OP, but mine was really pretty manageable. 2 days of sitting in an easy chair and icing my balls, 2 days of “walking is fine, but avoid any sudden movements,” and a week of “it’s a little sore, but it doesn’t really hurt.” After that, it was about 2-3 weeks where I didn’t really notice it unless I moved the wrong way too suddenly (whereupon I’d get a quick twinge, but nothing too bad).

        Really a pretty small cost for the benefits. I don’t really like painkillers, but I do recommend some THC gummies for the first week and a fresh series to binge

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        Not bad at all.

        For the first week doc said no erections- turns out not getting hard was the hardest part. After that, it was like a month or so of no unprotected sex. It’s been a few years so I might not remember correctly, but I think he recommended like 15 to 20 ejaculations in that time frame. And I’m going to humble brag here- I’ve been blessed with a wife whose libido is way higher than mine. But that month, knowing that each orgasm was one step closer to her not having kids again- she made it her mission in life to knock those orgasms out as fast as I could get it up.

        I didn’t really have any swelling that I can remember- I iced my scrotum for a few hours but it didn’t hurt too bad so I stopped after that. Some acetaminophen helped with the residual pain, and I think I had to take it easy for a couple of weeks- don’t lift anything heavy to strain your groin muscles.

        All in all, I don’t regret it and highly recommend anyone who is done having children to get one.

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          How the hell is one supposed to avoid getting any erections? Morning wood isn’t exactly something people have any degree of control over…

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        I got mine last year. I was fully recovered in terms of physical activity within probably 4-5 days but I did get two very uncomfortable sperm granulomas that hung around for several days each. My nuts swelled up and turned purple so that was pretty fucking scary but it wasn’t anything dangerous. Just a lot of aching. But within a month I was completely back to normal.

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        The worst was over in a couple of days but for the next three months it stuff there was a slight discomfort in some situations

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          My close bois had a really easy time, they all said “something felt different for a week or two but life was normal otherwise”

          A small percentage of dudes have a horrible time though, and that’s awful.

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        Hmm I’m not sure. I got it over summer in college and work a desk job, so I got it done on friday, chilled all weekend on the couch watching movies, building legos, snacking, and icing my nuts, and I was back to work on monday

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        Mine wasn’t too bad. I spent a couple days on the couch taking OTC pain killers, and was able to move around well enough to light house work after a couple days. Honestly the hardest part was the month waiting to have sex before I could confirm it worked.

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        Multiple of my friends reported being totally fine right after, with no pain. Not even frozen peas. But they all waited a couple weeks before doing cum again.

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    Friendly reminder of the core problem: medical treatments are all balanced against the risk of what it counteracts.

    Undergoing physical and chemical changes to grow another creature inside you and have it damage everything on the way out is pretty risky. Female birth control only has to be less risky than that.

    A male has zero physiological risk from impregnating someone. Therefore, anything except a miracle drug with high efficacy and almost zero side effects is going to stall at the trial stage.

    On another note, that speaks to how safe and effective vasectomies are.

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          Not that guy, but I have one kid who I love to bits. Got a vasectomy when he was 2 years old cause we would explode if we had a second kid, lol. One is enough for us. We’ve been incredibly fortunate so we decided we didn’t need any more surprises.

          The doc who did mine was a military vet who went into urology after serving. I remember reading the pamphlet on the operation and it said the vasectomy only took 15 minutes. I asked him, “It only takes 15 minutes??” and he responded, “Eight.”

          I like a good speedrun as much as the next guy, but I told him to take his sweet time lol. Ain’t in no rush, doc.

          Recovery was super chill. Couldn’t roughhouse with my son for a week or two, and that’s about it. I’ve got some fun titanium clamps chilling in my junk now, so that’s fun. I’m basically Wolverine.

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      There are also plenty of medical reasons for even sexually inactive women to take hormonal birth control. This isn’t only about pregnancy, which as you say can have all sorts of physical consequences.

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    Oh, I’m way ahead of them there, with 44 years of shitty diet and lifestyle choices.

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    Ha jokes on them, the plastic in my balls is permanently shutting of my sperm!

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    Man my birth control seems way safer and way more effective. It’s called: “Obesity, Trichotillomania, and absolutely fuck all confidence.”

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      Trichotillomania

      I looked that up. Ouch! Is it ok if i ask whether it hurts or feels ‘good’ to do? You have an urge, or is it like a nervous tic? I’m curious what it is like if’n it’s no trouble

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        Not the person you responded to, but for me it comes and goes as a result of OCD. It does hurt, but not terribly. To describe the urge, it’s a bit like if there’s a big bug on your arm. Once you notice it, it’s difficult to not immediately swat it away, and until you do get it off, you’re gonna be very aware that there’s a bug on your arm. It’s pretty much the same feeling, just directed toward hair instead of bug.

        It might be totally different for other people, but that’s just my experience.

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          …there’s a bug on your arm. It’s pretty much the same feeling…

          I may be getting the wrong idea cus of the analogy, but is it directed towards a general spot on your scalp or do you feel like a specific follicle crawling on you you must remove? Wait, does talking about it increase the urge? Sorry if so, I’m really curious

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            Ah fuck, I worded that poorly. No, talking about it is fine, but thanks for asking! I don’t mean the physical sensation is the same, like how you can feel a bug on your arm. Speaking for myself, it’s like the mental reaction of “ick there’s a bug on my arm, I have to get it off”. There’s no physical itch or tickle on my skin. I was trying to make that comparison because generally when there’s a bug on you, it doesn’t bother you if you don’t notice it, and you might not even realize it’s there for a while. But once you notice it or someone points it out, it’d be hard to just ignore it, even if you couldn’t feel it on your skin at all.

            As I’m typing this out, I’m realizing that it’s possible that not everyone experiences quite as strong a reaction to having a bug on their skin that I do, especially as a person with ocd, lmao. But if you do, well, hopefully this helps!

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        Honestly the pain may be the part that causes the addiction. For me it started when I was 11. I was stressed, untreated for ADHD, and an eyelash was in the way so I just plucked it. The result was immediate relaxation. The next time I got an eyelash I just plucked it before I got stressed. Then I started plucking em when I was bored. Then puberty came and I got the same obsession with ance. That was a long one, then it went to these weird gland things in my mouth for a little bit, then it started on my beard which is by far the worst. It doesn’t hurt anymore, but the moment it itches, fuck everything.

        It’s not an urgent anymore it’s like scratching an itch. It’s automatic. I can’t control it undless I have gloves or wrist braces for the carpal tunnel doing this gave me.

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          Aargh ive had carpal tunnel to the point i had a brace on my WoW arm (though probably not as severe as yours). I have ADD too and scratch my scalp to where it bleeds when I’m nervous. Oops now im making it bout me lol. I actually just wanted to thank you taking the time to write up this detailed comment. So thanks!

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      Can’t help you with Trichotillomania but hitting the gym tends to help with weight and confidence. I don’t know your situation but I was bordering on obesity and I was suggested 10min warmup + stronglifts 5x5 + 10min cool down as a routine. I did it for almost a year and it definitely had a impact on my weight and confidence.

      If you’re not sure where to start have a session with a personal trainer with the purpose of setting up your own routine and then just stick with it. It feels really hard at first but after you start seeing results it’ll get easier.

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        It certainly helps with fitness, and somewhat with confidence, but just being fit isn’t going to get you laid. I’d also see a therapist regularly for the mental and emotional parts of health.

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          Which is exactly why I’m treating both at the same time. Doc got me on Wegovy, and starting out playing beat saber (holy shit 30 minutes of that is incredible, sweat, aches everywhere, maybe not visible progress but damn I feel like moving is less effort) and in therapy for everything in my life.

          Right now I’m learning my strengths. Hard to do for someone without a lot of confidence.

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    Not saying the pill won’t eventually appear but the track record for men contraception hitting the market is not good. It always get cancelled in an endless loop of disapointment.

    People serious about sharing the load or protecting women from the aide effect of birth control should look up vasectomy or thermal contraception. It works.

    I’ve been on thermal contraception for 6months myself and my sperm production bas completely stoped with no side effects. Highly recommend.

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      Should be noted vasectomies aren’t reliably reversible after a certain point, but if you know you don’t want kids, by all means. I’d rather my partner take that leap than me have to have more invasive surgery

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        Yeah my bad for puting both in the same bag i totally agree. I meant to say that thermal contraception is a good alternative to birth control that men can use, just as vasectomy is a viable alternative to tubal litigation. And both are easier and with less side effect than the woman counterpart.

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        It is not in this case at least. The method relies on using a device (usually a ring) to push the testicles hiver in your body, and the temperature there is enough to stop spermatogenesis. The current method involves stopping every 3 years for at l’East 6 months to ensure production returns to normal. There is no documented side effect, though it should be noted that as always in this area, fully documented medical trial are pending. You my ne referring to other methods using higher temps or external device such as heating boxer but i have not experienced not researched those so i cannot answer you.

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    can’t wait for the inevitable surge of pregnancies, as people learn that that sperm doesn’t just fucking disappear, and that it needs to be manually cleared first.

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    I’ve heard of a male birth control every couple years and still nothing on the market. Usually it’s because there are slight side effects and that’s considered to much of a risk meanwhile female birth control can cause blood clots and whatnot. I’m too jaded to believe this will ever come to fruition.

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        The only thing that works is abstinence. It’s like handling a gun. Don’t put your dick in something that you can impregnate unless you’re ready for kids.

        Disclaimer: This comment is not meant to be taken seriously. Even though it’s true.

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            Keep trying! You’ll get his ass gregnant one day if you try hard enough!

            or girl’s ass, I’m not sure which kinda gay you are!

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          I know it puts me at odds with probably every sex ed curriculum, but I don’t think abstinence counts as birth control because it’s not coitus that risks pregnancy. It’s like saying ice skating is birth control.

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          It is pretty easy to tamper with a condom in invisible ways, from poking holes or letting it expire, to stealthing. Hell, you can even cook the condom at low heat for a while in its package and you will cause significant structural damage to it, without even bruising most packaging.

          Even a freshly bought condom and a little sleight of hand can go a long way into tampering. No birth control is trust free.

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        Pullout game strong af. Using it for years.

        Having said that, I don’t recommend it.

        Edit: the down votes 😆 I said I don’t recommend it! At least I’m responsible towards others!

        I have two kids already, we take good care of them. Having another one would just mean more love. Don’t worry guys. 😊❤️

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            Nobody here seens to have answered it so:

            The pull-out “method” is when a person pulls their penis out of a vagina before they ejaculate. It’s not effective because you can’t be sure you’ve timed it right and some sperm can still escape before ejacualtion. It’s a shitty “method”. Don’t use it like the idiot above.

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              I take offense to you calling me an idiot. That’s not fair. I have extremely good ejaculation control. But I still obviously don’t recommend this to anyone else. It’s a shitty method if you leak a little bit during sexual activity, too, which I never do.

              Do note that we often time sex to low fertility sectors in the menstrual cycle.

              Again. Do not use this method. (But no need to hate on someone it does work well for, wtf.)

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          It’s been working for my wife and I for five years, but it’s a low risk situation for us since we could handle another kid if I ever had a whoopsie daisy.

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            It’s good that you also weigh the risk against your ability to raise another one. That’s the true responsibility right there. Unprotected sex I feel is only ever irresponsible if you run a risk of infecting someone or making a baby that you don’t want to or can’t raise properly.

            I wish you and your wife the best in your lives together. ❤️

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          Ironically, in the hands of an experienced practitioner, the pullout method is very effective at preventing pregnancy.

          The problem comes when it’s a kid trying it for the first time having sex, or someone not in full control of their facilities towards the end of sex. Easy to get caught up and “forget” if you’re having a good time.

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            Yeah, that’s me. I have extremely good ejaculation control and know myself very well at the end of sex. Like, I’ve been using it for like 20 years. And the two times I actually wanted to make children we became pregnant immediately, so we are both very fertile. So I know it’s working well.

            But as you say, you have to be experienced to trust it. It was more scary in the beginning.

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      for the downvoters, it’s a song from a Monthy Python movie, so comedy (and great one at that!)