• sonovebitch@lemmy.world
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        I’m all for green energies and all. But in his defense, in the vast majority of presentationss/documentaries/panflets for “replace fossil fuel with electric”, they nearly never openly take into consideration how fucking bad for the environment and the local populations mining rare minerals used in batteries is.

        So yeah, let’s stop using non reusables, but also let’s acknowledge and openly talk about it.

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          Well, the true solution is robust public infrastructure and abandoning personal cars.

          But then people freak out and reject any proposal because cars are beyond a fetish at this point. Which leaves either migrating to electric cars and trying to improve the battery technologies, or keep burning fossil fuels as if we aren’t at the brink of collapse.

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            Frankly, personal cars should not be legal for most people, they are a massive problem in more ways than just the environmental damage. But at this point people are so in love with their cars, that it would take a miracle to change that dependence.

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              Why ban them? Just tax them as luxury items like what Singapore does and slap tolls on all roads like what Japan does. Tokyo has wonderful roads and very little traffic for such a large city.

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                You still need more than that, speaking as someone from Singapore. We still have a stupid car-oriented mindset here.The whining every time the COE goes up…

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                Still not a fan of “if you’re poor, fuck you”. But yes, there must be a middle ground somewhere.

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          We can and do talk about it, but it’s not valid to use it as a talking point against electrification. There is tons of research being done to reduce dependency on lithium and the likes. Chances are, the people who own the mines are banding together to lobby against it too. To the LexiconDexicon, be constructive, don’t just talk shit that helps no one.

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          I love how it’s only a problem when the auto and oil industries are threatened, and totally ignored for decades for phone, tablet and laptop batteries.

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          That’s not entirely true and there are several companies now that can recycle the lithium used on batteries.

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      1 year ago

      You taking about cobalt? Cobalt free batteries are possible, and even economically viable. Tesla is already using them. Or are you taking about another component?