I’m reminded of one of my old memes when I see people in power pull shit like this.
People can’t revolt if you force them to have to fight for their right to even exist first.
Or maybe fascists are just transphobic bigots who want to torture and kill trans people because, well, they’re fascists, it’s what they do?
You need to understand the far right doesn’t give a damn about economic issues. Not one crap. (Because most far-right supporters are middle-class or higher, for the record!) They want power for one reason, and one reason only: to lord it over the minorities they consider their inferiors, if not outright killing them.
This isn’t a “distraction”, it’s the fucking goal.
Why not both? Far right movements, at least as far back as the transition of the Tories into the conservative party in the early 1800s, have been lead by the interests of the ultra rich. Far right “philosophy” has always been to their service, whether its regressive “economics” of Malthus or the complete fiction of scientific racism. Almost definitionally, there isn’t a far right movement without a ruling class that it supports and is supported by; that’s what they are trying to “conserve”.
Part of this is having a permanent underclass. Or more than one. Just as the “middle class” is under the ruling class, the under class must be beneath them. This is part of the conservative mindset, which again is created and nurtured by the ruling class for this purpose. The difference between garden variety conservatives and fascists, in this regard, is simply that fascists want the elimination of the permanent underclass.
the whole point of conservatism is to preserve and reinforce the social order.
it’s not progress.
Fair enough. I just get pissed when people like OP suggest bigotry only exists because Economically Anxious^TM people are being manipulated by The Elites^TM. Anyone who’s interacted with well-off people for longer than a few minutes knows being economically secure doesn’t magically make you not a bigot anymore.
And I hate the implication bigotry is somehow “less important” an issue than economic inequality. Especially since the two are so intimately intertwined, especially in the US, it’s impossible to make progress tackling one without tackling the other.
I’m not LGBT or anything so I do have a bias, this is mostly something I observed from my time with the upper-middle class. Up until maybe 2014, while these people were far from saints, they seemed to be far more passive about social issues beyond the economics. Then the misinformation age hit and their opinions went from ‘I don’t want to pay the medical expenses of the poor’ to ‘I don’t want to pay for someone’s gender reassignment surgery’. The bigotry seemed to be at the forefront once the billionaire controlled media told them it should be. While yes I’m sure there’s a lot of pure bigotry, I’d expect there to be less if billionaires weren’t around to sway.
This is just a chicken and egg situation on the cause so sorry if I was underplaying the bigotry aspect.
Yes, because in 2015 gay marriage was legalized.
I guarantee these people were absolutely as shitty about LGBTQ+ issues before 2015, they just talked about them less frequenly around you since they didn’t have to think about gay people too often. But I guarantee they were just as horrible towards gay people back then-- if not moreso, since they thought they could get away with the toxicity since no one cared-- as they are today.
Source: was woman with a ton of LGBTQ+ friends before 2014. Bigotry hasn’t gotten any worse since then, just louder. (And the good news is the reason the bigots have gotten louder is because more normies are becoming tolerant or accepting of LGBTQ+ people, causing the remaining bigots to realize they’re losing control of society and flip the hell out!)
As if that is the biggest problem with Russia right now
LGBT laws and talks are pulled out by the right/far-right when there are shitstorms incoming. It’s literally a giant “Press in case of emergency” button, alongside immigration, etc
To distract people from more important issues, you mean?
Yea think so. A society that always talks about the issues of the right, is a society where the right always wins.
Yes.
The Hungarian anti-LGBT law was made in response of financial troubles, labor safety issues, dismantling of the public education and healthcare system, record corruption, the Kaleta case (in which a Hungarian diplomat only received a pitiful fine for CSEM possession, while being in Peru), and the real threats children face from the low age of consent of 14.
There is no “more important issue” than protecting fundamental human rights, including fundamental human rights of LGBTQ+ people.
c/whoosh?
More like pulling this crap that would have people protesting in the streets in peacetime at wartime when people have bigger things to worry about.
Yeah
This is completely false, going after trans people was literally one of the first thing the Nazis did.
LGBTQ+ people aren’t a “distraction” from “more important issues”, they are real human beings with real lives who fascists love to fuck with for no other reason than they’re bullies.
Dude, LGBT isn’t just “trans people”. nobody is arguing that LGBT ppl aren’t human beings with feelings, but they are easy scapegoats (alongside immigrants etc) to distract people from real problems… unless you consider LGBT people or immigrants or whatever to be problems at all, which are not hence the “distraction”; I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin personally didn’t give a fuck about lgbt people
Nazi germany is a very poor example for your point since Jews, LGBT etc were easy scapegoats for the terrible situations they were in after WW1. You don’t even have to go that far either, look at US, Italy etc that have gone (far-)right and the discussion is always about immigration, LGBT people and other stuff that makes no sense and is either a very small problem or not a problem at all
tldr: governments use easy answer to redirect people’s anger towards made-up problems, so that they don’t really think how fucked they are
Scapegoating isn’t the “oh shit” emergency tactic of the right tho, it’s the first move they play.
Agreed completely. How is it possible people still don’t realize that with fascists, the cruelty is the point? Torturing minorities isn’t a distraction, it’s the goal.
No one said it’s the biggest issue, no one said there aren’t other, bigger issues.
I’m saying it’s among the biggest issues! A fascist regime going after one of the most vulnerable classes of citizens, how is that anything other than a colossal issue?
I think you might have misunderstood my comment, I wasn’t saying that this law isn’t an issue, I agree that it’s a huge issue.
It is not an issue at all, except to bigots. And to bigots it is the biggest issue, until they are attracted to another non-existant issue by the social media propaganda accounts which they follow.
Ignorance is strength.
The nukes are their primary strength
As if they work. I’ll take the bet none of em are functional. Not with Russia’s extreme corruption.
This mentality is basically “fuck diplomacy, go monke”
Classic throwback meme reference
I definitely don’t want to take that bet
Great now maybe some Americans will migrate there
Yes, please!
We’re not sending our best
You have now been granted the first ever lemmy award for your quality and based comment. 🎖
If only.
Cis people: doing whatever they want including things that could be considered inmoral
Government: that’s completely normal
Trans people: exist
Government: wait that’s illegalRussian army: Bombs and kidnaps children
Government: Special military exercise, totally justified.
Trans people: Exist
Government: How horrible! Won’t anyone think of the children?
I’m pretty sure they don’t care about children
As if Putin didn’t already give us enough reasons to hate him.
He really is determined to follow in all of Hitler’s footsteps, huh. Well, hopefully he’ll follow Hitler right to the same ending.
That would be meta considering the Russians were the ones who got to hitler, shortly after he killed himself.
Is this a way to curry favour with the GOP and getting them to agitate for fewer/no supplies to Ukraine?
good point
Pure speculation: could this have been motivated, to any extent, by some desire to maintain a predictable portion of the population conscriptable, given that only men are conscripted?
The war isn’t going quite in the way Putin would have hoped, after all.
No.
This is about social conformity and giving the public an enemy to hate.
I find it interesting and sad that yet again, our traitor politicians follow the same plan as Putin.
This time it was the other way around, Putin and his coneys never cared about it until culture war monsters from the west started their current round. There are some speculation that they started it with the help of russian troll farms, but it’s hard to tell
I think you might be forgetting about the clown picture of him that sent him on a tirade. https://time.com/4728422/russia-putin-clown-lbtq-court/
Oh, all of them were always extremely homophobic, it’s an oldest Russian tradition that come from prison culture. For the “deep russian”, the part of russian culture that Putin represents, being gay is the worst thing that can happen. But they never focused on trans identities that much before
It’s a drop in the bucket in that sense, but, what’s a target of this law, yet another win over ‘deranged west’ and it’s agenda.
Most of the time people with gender dysphoria don’t even know what’s that, can hardly find a community, realize they are not cis, start a course of costy tabs, believe they can aquire a legal status from that state – all that with still being there, working, meeting people. It was a surprise to many this loophole existed. And it’s still required a doc confirming you have a mental illness.
Cis men won’t even try that for our right-wing politics and propaganda, they would rather break a leg than that, or just wait it out.
And no, there are a lot of people still availiable for service. Minority of transwomen wouldn’t do any weather. But I’m fucking crumble inside imagining any of them being mobilized into a typical men environment. It’s a death sentence.
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Another giant can of worms is deciding which individuals get to choose what to do with their bodies.
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That’s not what’s happening. No child under 18 is receiving any surgical services to transition.
If you are talking about adults, fuck right off with that. Men have their tits removed all the time to conform more to their idea of gender, and women have both removal and additions to the same. That’s not to mention the plethora of other cosmetic surgeries available to consenting adults.
This shit is 100% because regressive troglodytes need a Boogeyman, and no one is scared of generic gays anymore, so they needed a smaller subsection of the population to rile the masses up without risk that they might be friends already. Y’all are losing the culture war, so you want to make sure everyone else is as miserable as you are so that you can point to suicide rates and blame us for your abuse.
If only a doctor would amputate your head, so you could stop filling the world with your ignorance.
What I’m saying is that you already can’t have a medical professional do whatever you want on your body. Can’t even sell your organs!
Yes, but transgender medical care is actually seen as a medically necessary procedure for certain people. If your arm had to be amputated for some medical reason, would you use the same argument as you do for transgender people?
You ever heard of liposuction? Botox? Nose reductions?
There have been cases of individuals with BID (body integrity disphoria) that have had perfectly healthy limbs removed. Gender reassignment surgeries are also a replacement, not just an amputation. At the end of the surgery, the patient will still have perfectly working genitals, just ones that don’t damage their mental health.
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Well that’s bullshit.
Also anyone anti-woke is by definition must fall into a category of pro slavery, pro women not being able to vote, anti civil rights, pro totalitarianism… and the list would go on. Anti-woke would mean asleep and letting the world piss all over you and you never even noticing.
But sure though, hold onto your “programed” terms like woke and ride them into your ignorant rabbit hole.
Guys, please. Do not turn lemmy into Reddit.
In what way is someone making Lemmy like Reddit?
Imagine siding with a war criminal hell bent on destroying not only his neighbor’s house but his own house too.
Don’t be a fucking idiot, nothing is being pushed on kids other than acceptance and tolerance of others. Which ironically, for the most part they already understand. They’re brainwashed to hate, just like you were.
Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.
“the west” you ever hear of Thai ladyboys you fucking dunce
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