If you consider hardware functionality, IDK why people buy consoles at all. The sky is the limit for what I can do on even a low end PC and there are significant limits to functionality on consoles. Not to mentioned the walled garden you’re forced into with consoles.
Make money from software, there’s little profit in hardware.
For some people, the walled garden and the “it just works” is a feature, when compared to the potential mine-field of building your own PC (or the increased cost of a pre built).
Some people have some money but not time, so a console a couch and a TV is easier to get into for the few hours a week they have.
Value for money, a build-your-own PC is better.
I don’t get why people buy iPhones. But if you go all-in on apple, the ecosystem is very attractive.
I wonder why no one talks about mini PCs like this one they’re around the same price range as a console (maybe even a bit cheaper) and don’t require nearly as much work as building a PC with parts.
If you get it with an OS just set up, install steam and start playing. If you want a couch experience, connect a controller, launch big picture and also start playing.
A majority of games support controller input so they’re basically plug and play, and ones that don’t usually also have a default preset. If anything steam has become almost the same as the console experience, just with extra functionality if you want it.
The integrated graphics on that system are still pretty mid at best tbh. You would want a system with a discrete gpu. Otherwise i agree with the sentiment
I would agree that for more power and demanding games you would want one with an external GPU, maybe even more powerful CPU. Though as a SteamDeck user and also looking at it from the perspective of a console gamer in terms of power and price range, something like this would probably fit the bill very well, especially for a cheap living room setup.
There definitely are more powerful options out there for living room setups though, but they also cost more money, which is the main reason they go for consoles, they are (like midrange APU computers) more cost effective.
Didn’t like the tone of my last attempt to reply, so here’s a rundown from a hardware enthusiast perspective.
Single board computers with no thunderbolt cannot have an external GPU, and have soldered permanent processors
The U sku on that cpu denotes low voltage. That cpu will have much worse performance than you expect. Ghz numbers usually advertise boost clocks, not stable performance.
Even when an external GPU is an option, the memory bandwidth of thunderbolt is not sufficient to run most cards and will result in micro stuttering and overall reduced performance. Usually you lose ~30%-50% of your performance depending on the card.
To top all of this off, you cannot use the steam deck as a reasonable expectation for this class of hardware. The deck runs a custom APU with a beefier than normal GPU. You will not get that performance from the linked micro pc.
I actually recently realized that the Mini PC shown in the listing I posted is not the same Mini PC as the one I have, the one I have seems quite a bit more powerful and also does have Thunderbolt/USB 4.0 (never tried connecting an eGPU though), I’ve actually been using it to play games at higher settings that would otherwise struggle on the steam deck, yes it’s not as good as something with a bigger and dedicated GPU but still really good.
Though I realize this probably isn’t typical of Mini PCs, at least not yet anyway.
Honestly, I think that’s more perception than reality. Consoles are just “plug in and play” right out of the box, you have to get accounts set up and games installed. If you buy a prebuilt PC with the OS installed, there’s not a significantly different amount of setup needed in comparison.
The main difference is the potential issues on console aren’t game-specific. If a new game comes out on PS5 and you have a PS5, you can have good confidence that you can simply buy the game, install and play it without needing to consider anything else. No need to understand how your system compares to the game’s recommended requirements, no manual configuration to optimise performance, no Denuvo arbitrarily slowing down your games. You make a good point about modern consoles not working out of the box per se either, but consoles are undoubtedly still much simpler to get reasonably working.
PC’s being better value is a new development too. Most current gen consoles were purchased while GPU prices were very inflated. It’s relevant for next gen (especially with consoles already being sold at a loss) but not so much the current one. Future looks bright for PC gaming, if we can manage to excise the tumor that is Denuvo
I don’t have a need for a computer and I enjoy using a controller to easily navigate the system. I can toss the controller just about anywhere without it being in the way. I don’t have room for a dedicated desk so the mouse would get lost and the keyboard would be cumbersome for me to set somewhere out of the way.
I like to sit down, turn the console on, recline, turn the TV on, play, toss the controller in or on the coffee table after.
It’s funny people using that as an excuse when Steam supports the new big picture mode from SteamOS on basically every OS out there now. You can get the exact same experience of couch based console gaming on PCs now, without really needing to set anything up in terms of custom UIs.
No they literally made it extremely clear they were talking about their situation specifically. They didn’t say “pc gaming is worse than console gaming,” they said console gaming works better for them because of their specific situation. You PC gaming evangelists are so funny :)
It’s just the problem that was brought up has been a solved issue for quite a while. It’s cool if they didn’t know though, i can see the redesigned big picture mode isn’t well advertised.
If you consider hardware functionality, IDK why people buy consoles at all. The sky is the limit for what I can do on even a low end PC and there are significant limits to functionality on consoles. Not to mentioned the walled garden you’re forced into with consoles.
Make money from software, there’s little profit in hardware.
For some people, the walled garden and the “it just works” is a feature, when compared to the potential mine-field of building your own PC (or the increased cost of a pre built).
Some people have some money but not time, so a console a couch and a TV is easier to get into for the few hours a week they have.
Value for money, a build-your-own PC is better.
I don’t get why people buy iPhones. But if you go all-in on apple, the ecosystem is very attractive.
I wonder why no one talks about mini PCs like this one they’re around the same price range as a console (maybe even a bit cheaper) and don’t require nearly as much work as building a PC with parts. If you get it with an OS just set up, install steam and start playing. If you want a couch experience, connect a controller, launch big picture and also start playing.
A majority of games support controller input so they’re basically plug and play, and ones that don’t usually also have a default preset. If anything steam has become almost the same as the console experience, just with extra functionality if you want it.
The integrated graphics on that system are still pretty mid at best tbh. You would want a system with a discrete gpu. Otherwise i agree with the sentiment
I would agree that for more power and demanding games you would want one with an external GPU, maybe even more powerful CPU. Though as a SteamDeck user and also looking at it from the perspective of a console gamer in terms of power and price range, something like this would probably fit the bill very well, especially for a cheap living room setup.
There definitely are more powerful options out there for living room setups though, but they also cost more money, which is the main reason they go for consoles, they are (like midrange APU computers) more cost effective.
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Didn’t like the tone of my last attempt to reply, so here’s a rundown from a hardware enthusiast perspective.
Single board computers with no thunderbolt cannot have an external GPU, and have soldered permanent processors
The U sku on that cpu denotes low voltage. That cpu will have much worse performance than you expect. Ghz numbers usually advertise boost clocks, not stable performance.
Even when an external GPU is an option, the memory bandwidth of thunderbolt is not sufficient to run most cards and will result in micro stuttering and overall reduced performance. Usually you lose ~30%-50% of your performance depending on the card.
To top all of this off, you cannot use the steam deck as a reasonable expectation for this class of hardware. The deck runs a custom APU with a beefier than normal GPU. You will not get that performance from the linked micro pc.
I see, that does make sense.
I actually recently realized that the Mini PC shown in the listing I posted is not the same Mini PC as the one I have, the one I have seems quite a bit more powerful and also does have Thunderbolt/USB 4.0 (never tried connecting an eGPU though), I’ve actually been using it to play games at higher settings that would otherwise struggle on the steam deck, yes it’s not as good as something with a bigger and dedicated GPU but still really good. Though I realize this probably isn’t typical of Mini PCs, at least not yet anyway.
Honestly, I think that’s more perception than reality. Consoles are just “plug in and play” right out of the box, you have to get accounts set up and games installed. If you buy a prebuilt PC with the OS installed, there’s not a significantly different amount of setup needed in comparison.
The main difference is the potential issues on console aren’t game-specific. If a new game comes out on PS5 and you have a PS5, you can have good confidence that you can simply buy the game, install and play it without needing to consider anything else. No need to understand how your system compares to the game’s recommended requirements, no manual configuration to optimise performance, no Denuvo arbitrarily slowing down your games. You make a good point about modern consoles not working out of the box per se either, but consoles are undoubtedly still much simpler to get reasonably working.
PC’s being better value is a new development too. Most current gen consoles were purchased while GPU prices were very inflated. It’s relevant for next gen (especially with consoles already being sold at a loss) but not so much the current one. Future looks bright for PC gaming, if we can manage to excise the tumor that is Denuvo
I don’t have a need for a computer and I enjoy using a controller to easily navigate the system. I can toss the controller just about anywhere without it being in the way. I don’t have room for a dedicated desk so the mouse would get lost and the keyboard would be cumbersome for me to set somewhere out of the way.
I like to sit down, turn the console on, recline, turn the TV on, play, toss the controller in or on the coffee table after.
You can do that with a pc as well
It’s funny people using that as an excuse when Steam supports the new big picture mode from SteamOS on basically every OS out there now. You can get the exact same experience of couch based console gaming on PCs now, without really needing to set anything up in terms of custom UIs.
Might I introduce you to Steam’s Big Picture mode (same one as used on the Steam Deck) same console experience on TV.
You’re getting down voted by pcmr bros. Totally fine to just want the ease of using a console for the reasons you mentioned among many others.
This community is literally called “PC Gaming”. They went out of their way to come here and type up a false reason to claim that consoles are better.
No they literally made it extremely clear they were talking about their situation specifically. They didn’t say “pc gaming is worse than console gaming,” they said console gaming works better for them because of their specific situation. You PC gaming evangelists are so funny :)
It’s just the problem that was brought up has been a solved issue for quite a while. It’s cool if they didn’t know though, i can see the redesigned big picture mode isn’t well advertised.