Followed with a list of excuses pointing out. It is actually true.
I think you need to understand the meaning of true. Having reasons for why he did do something. Dose not mean the person saying he did something is living.
At the end of it. The man won leadership of the party members. By making overt pledges. Then cancelled all those pledges. If you can’t understand why a high % of party members feel there vote was stolen by him. You are not trying.
Honest Democracy involves convincing voters to follow you. Not lieing to gain there vote.
If you can’t convince the majority of a party to follow you. Run to lead a party where the majority agree with you.
More accurately it was “Starmer changes his pledges more than he changes his underwear” followed by:
“That’s just not true”
Followed by a lot of discussion pointing out that while he may have scaled back some aspects of his pledges, he has also gone to great lengths not to promise very much at all over the last 5 years because the Tories keep making it financially impossible to promise anything.
Or stealing enough to say, “we already did that!”whilst not changing anything for their donors, and giving them an excuse to cut taxes because of imaginary future savings.
Imaging a government that works as hard for the 99% and the planet, as the Tories work for the 1%
He didn’t cancel all the pledges. This is Tory misinformation that some people have swallowed. Here are the pledges. In fact, looking at the headline of each pledge, he’s still promising the same broad directions for all ten of them.
Some policy details have changed (justifiably, I think). But not completely. For example, under pledge 1, they’ve found other taxes to raise instead of income tax: different policies, same overall goal. Is that a broken pledge? Maybe, but it seems a bit much to say he has not only to to tax the rich but do it in the exact way he promised five years ago lest he be accused of lying.
Others, like pledge 3, on climate justice, are still entirely in place, as are 7, 8 and 10.
Some have changed a lot. I don’t think the foreign policy or immigation stuff really resembles his current policy positions. But I also don’t think he should let himself be dragged down by unpopular positions once their unpopularity is clear.
I don’t personally think that shifting specific policies, but keeping the clear overall direction, is such a big deal. Your mileage may vary, obviously, but we should at least talk about what has actually happened, not repeat Tory propaganda at each other!
Followed with a list of excuses pointing out. It is actually true.
I think you need to understand the meaning of true. Having reasons for why he did do something. Dose not mean the person saying he did something is living.
At the end of it. The man won leadership of the party members. By making overt pledges. Then cancelled all those pledges. If you can’t understand why a high % of party members feel there vote was stolen by him. You are not trying.
Honest Democracy involves convincing voters to follow you. Not lieing to gain there vote.
If you can’t convince the majority of a party to follow you. Run to lead a party where the majority agree with you.
More accurately it was “Starmer changes his pledges more than he changes his underwear” followed by:
“That’s just not true”
Followed by a lot of discussion pointing out that while he may have scaled back some aspects of his pledges, he has also gone to great lengths not to promise very much at all over the last 5 years because the Tories keep making it financially impossible to promise anything.
Or just stealing Labour’s ideas when they do promise things!
Or stealing enough to say, “we already did that!”whilst not changing anything for their donors, and giving them an excuse to cut taxes because of imaginary future savings.
Imaging a government that works as hard for the 99% and the planet, as the Tories work for the 1%
He didn’t cancel all the pledges. This is Tory misinformation that some people have swallowed. Here are the pledges. In fact, looking at the headline of each pledge, he’s still promising the same broad directions for all ten of them.
Some policy details have changed (justifiably, I think). But not completely. For example, under pledge 1, they’ve found other taxes to raise instead of income tax: different policies, same overall goal. Is that a broken pledge? Maybe, but it seems a bit much to say he has not only to to tax the rich but do it in the exact way he promised five years ago lest he be accused of lying.
Others, like pledge 3, on climate justice, are still entirely in place, as are 7, 8 and 10.
Some have changed a lot. I don’t think the foreign policy or immigation stuff really resembles his current policy positions. But I also don’t think he should let himself be dragged down by unpopular positions once their unpopularity is clear.
I don’t personally think that shifting specific policies, but keeping the clear overall direction, is such a big deal. Your mileage may vary, obviously, but we should at least talk about what has actually happened, not repeat Tory propaganda at each other!