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      Lol, as if liberals have a right to speak.

      Careful there, people might figure out who you really are. Tighten that mask up, Socko.

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        Don’t worry, none of the useful idiots will figure out that he’s a fascist, they’ve already been guzzling fascist rhetoric for so long that they can’t tell the difference anyway.

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            “he’s opposed to genocide! He’s a fascist!”

            Wow, I didn’t know supporting genocide against numerous minority groups in the US was actually ANTI-genocide! Thank you for enlightening me. It’s a really brave new form of leftism you’re championing!

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                Not going to work, and I get joy from watching you suffer.

                Yeah, I know you get joy from watching minorities suffer and be murdered, you don’t HAVE to state it explicitly. Though I guess it helps anyone who’s only loosely following the conversation.

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                    Yeah, I do get joy watching evil people like you finally face justice, don’t care if you’re a minority or not.

                    I love that genocide of minorities is ‘justice’ to you, so long as a few ‘libs’ are caught up in it.

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          So are you a pragmatist or not? You’re willing to compromise on Democratic support for genocide out of what you see as practical reality, why then are you doing the most impractical thing of trying to convince millions of voters to be pro-genocide instead of working to convince one single politician to do the right thing?

          And you’re suppose to be the logical one here?

          No wonder Dems have been getting dragged further and further to the right. With big brain strategy like this how could it not be inevitable that the party become more and more right-wing.

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            So are you a pragmatist or not? You’re willing to compromise on Democratic support for genocide out of what you see as practical reality, why then are you doing the most impractical thing of trying to convince millions of voters to be pro-genocide instead of working to convince one single politician to do the right thing?

            Have you not been paying attention to public support for Israel in the US for the past forty fucking years?

            Let’s go down through the facts, shall we?

            1. A plurality of Dem voters still believe in CONTINUING TO SUPPLY ISRAEL WITH AID, ie exactly what Biden is doing, or INCREASING aid to Israel. They’re already pro-genocide by that standard.

            2. The braindead talking points parroted by these ghouls necessarily imply that NOT voting Biden will, in some way, alleviate genocide, when the exact opposite is the fucking truth.

            3. I already support protests and boycotts to influence Dem politicians, I just don’t support electing a literal fascist who has pledged to do everything he can to assist the ongoing genocide AND start a few here at home too, because I’m not a fucking moron.

            No wonder Dems gave been getting dragged further and further to the right. With big brain strategy like this how could it not be inevitable that the party become more and more right-wing.

            Please, tell me how the Dems are more right-wing now than in the 90s or 2000s. I’ll wait.

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              I already support protests and boycotts to influence Dem politicians

              This is 100% bullshit. You being here trying to undermine those efforts and kneecap the influence that those efforts have proves that beyond a doubt. Don’t ever claim this again.

              Please, tell me how the Dems are more right-wing now than in the 90s or 2000s. I’ll wait.

              They’ve literally been courting right-wing voters for decades so that they can ignore their progressive base (like you’re trying to help facilitate right now). Biden’s border policy is literally fucking identical to Trumps. Democrats propped up Trump and helped him get elected, they think propping up right-wing candidates makes their own Fascist Lite candidates more viable. It’s literally the only way they can win elections now, by trying to scrape off an increasingly meaningless minority of “disillusioned republicans”.

              Go look up clips of Zbigniew Brzezinski talking about US Israel relations, he was one of the major proponents of the Iraq war and yet his perspective on the Israeli right-wing government would get him labeled a “leftist” by modern day libs.

              Yes, democrats have become more right-wing in their panic to suppress the growing demographic of Millenials and GenZ. It’s why we find ourselves on the doorstep of fascism right now. You neoliberals have been the ones getting into power, these are the consequences of your politics.

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                This is 100% bullshit. You being here trying to undermine those efforts and kneecap the influence that those efforts have proves that beyond a doubt. Don’t ever claim this again.

                lmao, or what, you’ll send me to GULAG for daring to have opinions while not sucking off fascism?

                They’ve literally been courting right-wing voters for decades so that they can ignore their progressive base (like you’re trying to help facilitate right now). Biden’s border policy is literally fucking identical to Trumps. Democrats propped up Trump and helped him get elected, they think propping up right-wing candidates makes their own Fascist Lite candidates more viable. It’s literally the only way they can win elections now, by trying to scrape off an increasingly meaningless minority of “disillusioned republicans”.

                So the only thing you have is border policy. Before I outline anything, would you like to confirm that it is your solid opinion that Democratic border policy is more fascist now than in the 90s? I would just like to be certain that we’re all on the same page.

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      Cute, I love that you get hard over the prospect of minorities being murdered for being liberal and concerned about resolving issues instead of, what, taking to the streets, armed and dangerous like you are?

      Oh, wait, what am I saying, you’re doing even less than the liberals you so despise.

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        No. You gave up being able to pretend you care about human beings when you demanded that we accept the Democratic party becoming pro-genocide. You don’t get to pretend you have some righteous position.

        You’re afraid for yourself, not others. You’re demanding people support genocide out of cowardice, out of the fear that suddenly you might start to be the one affected by your dogshit neoliberal strategy that you’ve been shoving down people’s throats for decades.

        Time for you to change and compromise. Others simply will not on genocide.

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          No. You gave up being able to pretend you care about human beings when you demanded that we accept the Democratic party becoming pro-genocide.

          God, this is why paying attention to history and foreign affairs is so frustrating. People who starting paying attention in the last five seconds having meltdowns and trying to sabotage people who are actually working against the state of affairs.

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            Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that neoliberal condescension is not effective. Any brain dead moron could’ve learned that from 2016.

            And watching Bill Maher doesn’t count as “keeping up on fireign affairs”.

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              Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that neoliberal condescension is not effective. Any brain dead moron could’ve learned that from 2016.

              Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that fascism is not effective at reducing genocide. But I suppose it’s too much to ask to expect bootlickers to pay attention.

              And watching Bill Maher doesn’t count as “keeping up on fireign affairs”.

              Who the fuck watches Bill Maher? What year is it in your world?

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                Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that fascism is not effective at reducing genocide

                Then stop carrying water for fascists. Stop demanding that the rest of us play make believe with you. Stop trying to convince the people who are morally outraged at their representatives for supporting genocide to give up those morals.

                Who the fuck watches Bill Maher? What year is it in your world?

                You talk like a boomer neolib and support a far-right Israeli government, so I assumed you were in his demographic.