• SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    “I wasn’t there to say I supported Hamas. I wasn’t there to say I hated Israel. I was there to say what’s happening in Palestine is wrong.”

    It’s sad that this is a controversial position to some.

  • Rottcodd@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Naturally.

    There are two main ways in which people can try to further a political position they’ve taken - they can either argue for the position or they can attempt to discredit those who argue against it.

    If the position they’re trying to further is so illogical or immoral that they can’t frame any arguments in its favor, then attempting to discredit its opponents is the only thing they have left.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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    I drove past some asshole flying an Israeli flag outside their house. I’m in Indiana and I’m one of the only Jews in this town, so I doubt whoever did it was Jewish and I’m sorry they didn’t see me giving them the finger when I drove by.

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      That is not a reasonable first step.

      Biden has paused and threatened to stop weapons shipments, but those only ever included offensive weapons.

      They have a defensive anti-rocket system that requires regular shipments from the US. Biden never threatened to cut those supplies off, nor has he threatened to cut off any of the other aid they receive.

      Stopping all weapons shipments would change their behavior. Better thing to try instead.

      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
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        He only blocked 500 and 2000 pound bombs specifically, too. They can buy all the planes, guns or smaller bombs they want for now.

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        I’m not so sure. The purpose of the defensive weaponry is, well, defensive. Stopping civilian deaths.

        With how things are now, I think it would only make things worse. Netanyahu isn’t going to pull back if the US stops giving defensive aid. And when civilians inevitably die, he’ll either shrug, or use it as further justification to continue.

        In essence, it won’t have any effect. I think the best thing to do would be supporting Netanyahu’s opposition to launch a coup, with our support conditional on them withdrawing completely from Gaza and letting Palestinians form their own state.

        Either way, there won’t be any progress until Netanyahu is out.

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          The country exists because of us support. All of their neighbors hate them. Cutting off all military aid would be crippling, not something that could be ignored.

          The us has a ton of leverage without a coup or invasion. Better to start with that.

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            Netanyahu would not care. And a lot of their neighbors are on much friendlier terms with them than before even. Jordan helped with stopping the Iranian counterattack, and I believe a few other nearby countries opened their airspaces to the US and company as well.

            In terms of actual hate, it’s really just Iran and Iranian linked militias. If the Iranian people successfully overthrew their theocracy, most of the threats would end to Israel. There’s been considerable unrest and protest in Iran lately.

            The way I see it, it’s a win win opportunity. Help the Iranians retake control of their country, help Netanyahu’s opposition take control and make it conditional on them behaving. It should make the region significantly calmer and allow us to stop sending defense to Israel and instead rebuild Gaza.

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    Pretty disgusting. More people should be made aware of these tactics because it will leave a bad taste in anyone’s mouth in an age of privacy concerns and surveillance.

    This is authoritarian regime dystopian stuff.