• @then_three_more@lemmy.worldEnglish
        104•2 months ago

        I entered into an agreement with a car manufacturer to be able to sell their cars in the UK. After I had people place orders (and pay) for a bunch of them the manufacturer decided that they were no longer supplying cars to the UK. Forcing me to issue my customers with refunds.

      • @gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        54•2 months ago

        Fraud exists because you were driving the car for a while with your normal drivers license and everything was perfectly fine, but now (for example) Elon says you have to get a specialized additional Tesla certification license from Tesla, but only offers it to countries whose names start with vowels because he was on a ketamine bender one night.

        It’s a retroactive, unilateral change to a contract, which is generally considered legally questionable at the very least. And - you guessed it - possibly fraud.

        • @Link@rentadrunk.orgEnglish
          4•2 months ago

          Correct me if I’m wrong but the game isn’t out yet on PC so no one has been playing (driving) the game.

            • @Link@rentadrunk.orgEnglish
              6•2 months ago

              There is a big difference between cancelling an order and taking away a product that you have been using.

              I don’t agree with Sony’s actions as everyone should be able to buy the game but this is Sony cancelling an order as the game isn’t even out yet on PC.

              • @gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                21•2 months ago

                It’s now a pattern and practice, though. HD2 could have been a fluke. But this now indicates that they’re probably going to do something similar with all of their current-gen games. THAT is the point people are becoming furious with.

                • @Link@rentadrunk.orgEnglish
                  3•2 months ago

                  That was obvious though. There was articles last week saying that Ghost of Tsushima wouldn’t remove the PSN requirement. It is also listed above the buy button (although that could be recent).

                  It was pretty clear from their response to HD2 that they would try again. Sure they shouldn’t have been selling preorders in countries that don’t have PSN access but it isn’t really surprising that they are enforcing it here.

        • @ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4•2 months ago

          You should look up what the word “fraud” means in a legal context.

          You would have an incredibly, overwhelmingly difficult tike attempting to prove that in court at this moment.

          Fraud requires intentional deception and requires you to have lost something. This is a proactive action to prevent misunderstanding and from you purchasing something that won’t work, and refunds your purchase. The loss, and the intent, are both missing.

          This is categorically not fraud.

          • @Dieterlan@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21•2 months ago

            It sounds to me like you are talking about what Steam is doing, with the geolocking and refunds (not fraud), while the other person is talking about what Sony is doing, with adding PSN requirements after the fact (maybe fraud?).

      • @hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11•2 months ago

        More like I pay you for water in my house and midway in you decided to add berry flavor.

        Great, now my spaghetti taste like berry, and I didn’t agree to that.

    • @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      English
      2•2 months ago

      Please not. I don’t want Sony to retreat entirely from the pc market (and they most likely will do it if they are not on Steam anymore).

  • @FluffyPotato@lemm.eeEnglish
    100•2 months ago

    So what Sony is saying is that I should just pirate the game since there is no legal way to buy it?

    • tb_English
      18•2 months ago

      What is this business strategy called?

      Not being publicly/private equity owned

    • tb_English
      2•2 months ago

      It hadn’t been made a clear requirement at that stage

        • tb_English
          3•2 months ago

          Evidently it was not clear enough.

          Or Valve didn’t check every last little detail and expected the publisher to take care of it, until it became a big controversy.

          – assuming it is, in fact, Valve who is behind this change and not Sony themselves.

            • tb_English
              4•2 months ago

              That would require Valve to be the reason behind this change, and reading every description for every game is something I doubt they do.

              Clearly this is the responsibility of the publisher.