- asking for Diablo 2: Resurrected treatment
- getting Warcraft 3: Reforged treatment
Fuck blizzard. Ruining Warcraft 3 was unforgivable.
with all the talk of “WoW killers”, WoW players agreed that no game could ever do as much damage to WoW as Blizzard …
No. Leave them alone Bethesda.
They’re still playable. Leave them be.
Just do the graphics.
thats pretty much the d2r treatment.
i bet bethesda wouldnt be able to pull it off that well though.
I recently tried to replay some games of my childhood. I’ve tried Dune II, Sid Meier’s Civilization and Alpha Centauri and I couldn’t play them because the UI is too dated, but Fallout an Fallout 2 are still great, 27 years later.
Bethesda can’t do it. They don’t have the skill to make a decent story anymore.
Isn’t that what resurrection is about? Rework graphics, keep the game (including story)?
Nah I’m with the guy above, I’m sure they’ll find a way to fuck this up
They’d meddle. Like with the tv show, where they nuked the capital of the NCR four years before new vegas. Problem is that the president of the NCR flies into New Vegas in the game from Shady Sands, so Shady Sands could not have been nuked.
Tod Howard said the nuke fell after F:NV: https://www.ign.com/articles/the-big-fallout-interview-todd-howard-and-jonathan-nolan-answer-our-burning-questions-about-season-1
Considering how bad Bethesda is at understanding the concept of time I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual dates on events end up saying the bombs dropped before New Vegas. This is Bethesda after all, they literally had a plot twist around a person aging and to hide that twist they just made it so that another person didn’t age.
The timeline given in the show says otherwise.
He can’t fucking Jeremy Crawford (or JK Rowling if you prefer) that.
The timeline in the show only says “The fall of Shady Sands”. While that was unclear, Howard did explain it, and it’s ridiculous to keep sticking to the whole “they deleted Fallout: New Vegas from canon” theory.
To claim they deleted the lore of New Vegas is so dumb.
Did they watch till the end?
Season 2 is going to be about New Vegas…
You play it up like some grand conspiracy.
He’s simply incompetent.
People were sharing all sorts of conspiracy theories about how Bethesda is trying to erase F1, 2 and NV from history before Howard did the interview, like here: https://www.pcgamer.com/movies-tv/in-which-i-mostly-debunk-the-latest-fallout-controversy-that-claims-todd-howard-used-the-fallout-show-to-retcon-non-bethesda-fallout-games/#article-comments
It’s tiresome to see the wrong interpretation repeated, even after they set the story straight.
This, there’s no malice, they simply don’t care about the lore as evidenced in Fallout 3, their thing is TES.
The timeline in the show says “the fall of Shady Sands” which was an event from 2277 to ~2281.
We can assume “the fall” started when the NCR decided to siphon water from Vault 33.
We know Moldaver was there, and fell in love with Rose (Lucy’s mother) during that time.
Some time after, Hank (Lucy’s father), arrived and failed to convince Rose to return to the Vault, but took Norm and Lucy from Rose, before detonating the Nuke.
The NCR is certainly aware of the risks involved with fucking with the Vaults. They must have been desperate to choose to siphon water from a functional vault without knowing what is inside.
My best guess is the NCR made a choice to grow Shady Sands as fast as possible without considering how to provide resources for everyone.
Personally, I feel they always intended the fall to be the nuking, but someone put the wrong date on the blackboard, and now they’re trying to get the story straight again :P It does allow for some interesting possibilities, though.
Probably. Though when using the phrase “fall” I think of a civilisation collapse which takes time. A slow implosion; The Fall of Rome.
I’ve never heard of Hiroshima or Nagasaki referred to as “fallen”.
It was a good story, canon be damned. But yes, it cheapens the franchise if there is no consistency at all between universes.
I mean, they might if they just fucking fired Todd Howard. He’s rapidly turning into Peter Molyneux and he needs to just go away.
Him and the lead writer, the Bethesda old guard have gotten really complacent.
If they changed the story even a little bit, it wouldn’t be the D2:R treatment. D2:R is literally the exact same game with better graphics, and the option to swap back to the OG graphics at any time.
seriously where are these people coming from thinking the story would change? hell, why even fucking change anything? takes more time and work to change things.
I wish Microsoft would force Bethesda to share their toys with other people.
Todd Howard is the epitome of the egotistical rich wannabe need who takes his toys away if someone does something better than he does.
Gamers love Obsidian’s rushed bullied New Vegas better than 3, make sure they never get another chance to let someone else into their sandbox.
They try to copy Mass Effect’s dialog system and voiced protagonist to do “something new” it backfires. Fallout 4 has no real tied story to it besides a few lines from a single quest from Fallout 3. The Factions are a copy and paste job based around an AI system so they don’t have to write content.
I find it wasetul of Microsoft that they Purchased a studio and IP worth Billions and will allow them to gather dust for over a decade without any ROI? Why aren’t they starting to force Bethesda to make something with the Fallout IP.
InXile should at least be allowed to remaster Fallout 1. They have Brian Fargo still there to oversee it. It all reminds me of Doctor Who taking a break when they were at their peak popularity, then coming back after losing most of their fans.
MS doesn’t care about ROI or the games. They just want to control big studios and ips so they can force people into that Xbox ecosystem. Monthly subscriptions are where the money currently is at. And if they can dominate games they can shape the future to ensure more people stay in the MS product line.
I don’t think so. The Xbox ecosystem is about to stop existing the way it exists right now, likely turning into Steam Machine type boxes. Then GamePass has already been discussed as expanding platforms. So really MS is just aiming to sell GamePass which they can’t do through 3rd party deals so they buy their own studios and rely on their ROI by way of subscription sign ups.
It’s not like the things they make are exclusive either, they could be doing the Epic Games (gross) model of exclusives but MS really hasn’t been doing much of that. Which means they’re acting more as a game publisher for sales outside of gamepass and therefor do want the ROI from these studios.
Do you have any source for the whole Todd Howard making sure no one else works on Fallout?
I never said I had proof in the first paragraph. The fact that 76 got dumped on a nobody studio means other studios did use the IP to create a fallout 4 mod. But, it was a newly purchased studio who made 76. Microsoft owns enough that they could make a game with another studio bypassing Bethesda if they want.
Maybe a FOSS engine remake and new art/models to match.
The stats, and writing were all great and I honestly wouldn’t really want it touched.
This exist already for Fallout 1 & 2 and is great! Fallout 2 Community edition: https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout2-ce
Sweet! I’ll have to check that out
I would really love a FOSS Fallout clone like Minetest for Minecraft.
I really would not like Bethesda level writing and character gating to muddy the classics. I seriously doubt it will do the old series justice with the level of inappropriate content.
Easiest examples being the thieving children in Fallout 2, it allowed you “solve” that problem if you didn’t have patience and got a negative quirk in the process.
A low intelligence run was almost a completely new experience with a different level of interaction that was tongue-in-cheek look at someone who really struggles with “standard” game narrative.
That not to mention how much of a mess it will be for bethesda to code for a player plus up to 5 party members per encounter ( making Charisma not a “dump” stat). I strongly doubt they can pull it off if it as a company is still struggling to make the player character plus 1 work smoothly.
I also feel that the old fallout’s sense of humour might not fly with today’s sensibilities specifically the level of objectification, a female character can use to their advantage or the level of “male power fantasy” with specific perks and SPECIAL loadout - which I am sure is something Bethesda will try to avoid as they seem to push for a more gamified systems.
And I really do not think they will be willing to make The Brotherhood play a minor role as they are like a “minor” faction that tries to avoid too much attention in setting in their mission to preserve the old tech from repeating the mistakes of the past
I strongly doubt Todd and his team are the right people to devote resources to truly capture the dark world of old fallout into a faithful reproduction. I think it would be toned down and would most likely follow a bethesda vision for the series.
Maybe I am being overly negative, but I feel even if they maybe revamped it with some prettier graphics and modern system sensibilities, it might still lose some of its soul in the process. I am willing to be proven wrong though
For the unintiated, things you can do in FO2 has that would not be allowed today:
- child killing
- pornography producing
- gravedigging
- slavery
Honestly I think InExile should be given the IP for a game or two. Wasteland two and three while obviously in a different setting still have a lot of that classic charm.
I can see them doing a better job of it yes, they are probably the closest to understand the how the older Fallout works and already have experience making games like it too in a more modern setting
Bethesda should redo Fallout 1 and 2 using the Fallout 4 engine and first-person view.
Bethesda should redo fallout 3, 4 and new vegas using the engine from fallout 2 and the top-down isometric view
I’d play that
Somebody give me a basement to work from I’ll do the pixel art and buy the weed. Would be a cool mod even imo
The resurrected corpse of Black Isle should redo Fallout 3 and 4 using the Fallout 2 engine and isometric view. Also fix the stories.
The story didn’t get good until three.
They had that little hiccup with New Vegas, but Fallout 4 got good again.
Ah you had me going for a second there.
Maggoty is one of the few you where you hate the comment, but then see it’s them and then you get the joke
Excuse me? It’s like you don’t even care about Brotherhood of Steel!
I think the top-down style is what makes the first two stand on their own, unique platform. They should keep the style and make it fresher and easier to enjoy in the modern day. Otherwise, it’s just 3D Fallout but the story is different. More 3D Fallout should just come in the form of new games.
Besides, enough 3D open-world games exist in general. A real Baldur’s Gate III competitor would be welcome.
Bethesda should bring back the real Fallout 3
Fuckin Van Buren boys…
Bethesda should redo Fallout 1 and 2 using the Genshin Impact engine and first-person view.
They can make ammo and health item loot boxes!
It’s too bad Ubisoft didn’t by Bethsoft. How awesome would it be to parkour around an icon filled map wearing a pipboy?
Or an EA game, where you exit the same vault in every game, but it’s somehow worse every time. For 35 years.
We need a Command & Conquer Remastered style treatment.
Bethesda should make Fallout Tactics canonical. That’s right, I said it.
[Terrifying Presence] No only Brotherhood of Steel.
Ah, it’s fine. I think the important part is keeping these games runnable on modern systems. I think D2 resurrected did a pretty good job of this, and the time is right since Fallout seems to have exploded in popularity.
No, keep your censorship away from Fallout 1 and 2.
I always loved the sprites used in Fallout Tactics and wished there was a way to back port them for Fallout 1 and 2 or upgrade them to a similar style
No. It was as ugly as it needed to be.
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