A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.
Are you aware that one of the major factors to Ireland independence is terrorism.
Was their stated goal to wipe the U.K. off the face of the planet so that they could go to paradise?
Yes, I can easily find IRA leadership talking about mass English genocide from the isle and from the world. Terrorists say some crazy fucked up things in the process of committing violence. But if that’s your standard, I can find Israel leadership talking about genociding palastinians. Except unlike Hamas and the IRA, the Israel leadership actually have the force required to do that genocide.
Point being. Do you think Ireland deserves it’s independence?
See, it feels like I’m asking you a trick question. Like there is no right answer without making you look silly.
It’s not a trick question, you just have conflicting beliefs.
I don’t think you actually understand jihadism. You think it’s a reaction to other circumstances and some fringe extremists rather than the actual goal and being widely supported. You can’t comprehend that goal so try to frame it in logic. But there is no logic involved in the beliefs of Islam and jihadism.
Yes Ireland deserves independence. Yes Palestine deserves independence. But that would not stop them trying to eradicate non Muslims.
I’m leaving this thread now but I can only suggest you listen to some Sam Harris
I don’t think you understand the conditions in which terrorism appears. You want to act like there’s something special in their blood/culture/religion that makes them Uber terrorists with no logic no brain no motive. Like even without oppression Hamas would of shown up to kill Jews elsewhere in the world.
That’s racist m8. They are human beings driven by the same shit as you and me. And you look yourself in the mirror and objectively ask yourself if you think you’d be better if you lived their life up to this point.
Cause and effect. Very simple. Colonize and oppress a population. Cause. Terrorism. Effect.
Hey did you know before Israel that Christians and Jews made up 1/5th the population of the area? Crazy how they were not just committing mass genocide then.
Did you know Gaza right now has a arab Christian and Arab Jewish population?
It’s not racist. Religionist maybe. And I stand by it. Islam is the biggest threat we face today. You don’t understand that.
I cannot say if I grew up there that I wouldn’t have the same beliefs, brainwashing children is extremely effective. But those ideas, the religion, need to be acknowledged and challenged in any response. Not just stick our heads in the sand and pretend they’re logical beliefs and that they will spontaneously want peace despite them repeatedly telling you they don’t.
Hey at least you took off the mask so your genuine argument could shine through. It’s a terrible argument as currently Israel is weaponizing it’s religion as well to commit the genocide in the first place.
Unlike you however, I am not a racist who will label Judaism as the cause for the genocide of palastinians like you wish to lable all of Islam for. That’s very silly
You stand on no actual moral grounds. You do not care about human beings in the slightest. You do not care about why these human beings are doing what they are doing. You do not care about the historical context that led to this moment in time. To you, Islam is evil. Islamists are evil. Killing Muslims is a necessary evil.
That’s fucking disgusting.
If that’s what you want to take from what I said then that’s fine, but no, I’m not racist or genocidal.
Islam is evil. Not all its followers are. And if people weren’t so scared of being labeled racist we might have an honest discussion about its problems. Hamas needs to be fought just like Nazis did. Naziism needed to be destroyed, not Germans, despite Nazi ideas proliferating through Germany.
There is no historical context worth discussing. Hamas wants to kill Jews and always will.
Listen to Sam Harris. Or continue to defend jihad. Whatever
So, you are racist and on par with the Nazis in my mind. Your calling for the continued genocide of human beings because of their religion. That’s genocide pal. But instead of telling you to fuck off, I want to explore your mind. I want to get how you got here. Just so we have an understanding. I’m not trying to convince you. I just have questions for you as a human being.
Is it Islam in specific or religion in general? I assume just Islam as you didn’t mention others but I wanna check.
What is your Religion if any?
And what about Islam specifically that is ubiquitous to the whole religion do you find so evil that other major religions don’t?
Actually in a way kind of yeah