It started with notebooks, but that wasn’t the master plan.

  • xor
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    7 months ago

    Why not just use type c headphones?

    The 3.5mm thing has always baffled me, it feels like complaining your pc doesn’t have a VGA port, except the thing you connect costs like a fiver

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      7 months ago

      Just replace my perfectly good $200 headphones that work in my (old) phone, my Switch, my 3DS, my laptop, my iPod, and my work phone.

      It’s so simple!

      Seriously, even if you don’t use it, why are you so against others having the choice? The headphone *jack was the standard for decades for a reason. If my phone is low on power, I’d like to be able to charge it without disconnecting my music/podcasts…

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        7 months ago

        But like, 3.5 to usbc is a 10 buck conversion. Tbh i see merit in double usb c over usbc and headphone jack, might be more doable too, the DAC prolly takes more space than an additional usbc

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            7 months ago

            I hear you, but a usb-c has more uses than one, the only real problem with a dongle is now is that occasionally you need to charge.

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            7 months ago

            It’s not a work-around, a headphone requires a DAC and an amp. In fact, my phone has a crap DAC causing artifacts in the sound. It’s actually not to my benefit to have the jack because I’d get better sound with the external DAC which is transparent.

            So the jack works, but the DAC you get can be whatever the manufacturer considers good enough.

            DACs I can hear issues in:

            My phone, my tablet, my desktop PC

            DACs that are transparent to me:

            My laptop, my $12 external DAC

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              7 months ago

              That’s great! But Framework also includes an audio jack built-in. As should everyone.

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                7 months ago

                But Framework also includes an audio jack built-in.

                Nope, the new 16 inch does not. The older 13 does.

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                  7 months ago

                  What?! That’s ridiculous. Hotswap ports are great for high throughput devices requiring PCIe lanes, but taking the audio port out gains you literally nothing. There should be some standard ports + hotswappable ports.

                  I also wish they could find a way to redesign the Ethernet port with a hinged jaw or something so it isn’t so massive, I wouldn’t want to leave that plugged in.

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            7 months ago

            A dongle is a solution to the problem “I want to use my headphones with a device with only a USB-C port.”

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      7 months ago

      At the time, there weren’t really many good options for replacement devices.

      Using the charging port means listening to music and charging at the same time wasn’t possible.

      Now we have split-cable dongles for power banks, and we have wireless charging when possible. It’s better but it’s not great; both have downsides, and accessories are more $.

      Do they make type C headphones with a powerbank in them? Do I want a lithium battery that large on my head?

      There aren’t many upsides for the consumer or the environment. Still seems to me like this isn’t even a lateral move. Internal components have gotten smaller and more efficient since, so that space could be reclaimed. I really don’t need my phone to be that thin, a phono jack next to the charging port would be just fine. The only real downside might be waterproofing but if you can make it work for the type C port…