• LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        7 months ago

        Tankies? I don’t see you posting any socdem or anarchist rhetoric, just neoliberal stuff and arguing against socialized housing which is as leftist unity as it gets.

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          7 months ago

          Why because I know human nature? Most of the people here who are for communism, are the ones who think they’re going to be running everything.

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            7 months ago

            The “human nature” argument is so old Marx literally debunked it before communism was even really a word.

            But I understand feeling depressed about everything. The power of capital seems inescapable and it feels like oppression and fascism is human destiny. Perhaps instead of a cold dialectical analysis, may I suggest “Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution” by Peter Kropotkin instead? I think it’s a more emotive and soulful piece of writing that may just for a moment restore your faith in the fact that there are at least some people out there who really just want things to be better, not just to be in charge, and that perhaps such a drive exists within all of us to different capacities. I don’t want to run anything, I just want housing security.

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              7 months ago

              Having housing is a worthy goal. But communism is not the way to it. Marx didn’t debunk shit, because all tries for communism have failed because of human nature. Someone will always want what others have. Hell even the damn bible called this out.

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                7 months ago

                Actually read Marx before you call people tankies then.

                Someone will always want what others have.

                Called trade, a feature of communism, not exploitation, a feature of capitalism.

                Also lol “source: even the damn bible” and your, like, vibes about like, ‘human nature’, man (which isn’t a real thing btw, there’s no unifying human experience actually) isn’t very convincing.

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                  7 months ago

                  I have read Marx, and acting like people who subscribe to his trash aren’t tankies is hilarious. You are a tankie if you do. And please show me where this perfect utopia has occurred in history. There is and always will be exploited people. The real world doesn’t exist in your wannabe utopia, because if it could, it would have happened already. You can do exactly what you’re talking about, but it requires force to get done. They did it in the USSR and people were miserable and still cleaning up that shit even 30 years later. Only people who have never lived through it, think communism is cool.

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                    7 months ago

                    Oh okay so you’re an anti-communist neolib shill lol. I guess actual tankies (auth-left as opposed to anarchists) were right and neolibs do use it as derogatory against all communists.

                    if it could, it would have happened already Please show me where it happened

                    Yeah this is reasonable and normal to think about landing on the moon in the 1800s. Great rhetoric bud.

                    I’m from Russia btw, born in USSR. Fash/neolib post-western-shock-therapy Russia of today and Putin is cringe. USSR was mostly cringe. USA also cringe. Has nothing to do with leftism, anarchism or the works of Marx or Kropotkin or Emma Goldman or Rosa Luxembourg etc etc. Still being communist and criticizing the USSR is just being normal and having critical thinking, rather than treating ideology as football teams lol.