It’s more than that. TSMC expects American workers to operate under Asian expectations which is long hours for lower pay. They can’t keep American workers b/c they just say no and work for the competition.
long hours for lower pay. They can’t keep American workers b/c they just say no and work for the competition
Whenever a company says “lack of skilled workers” or “labor shortage”, just assume that it’s corporate newspeak for “we are entirely unwilling to pay what the market demands for those skills”.
Chang has been a throat slitter from the beginning. But the problem is lack of available engineers. TSMC even commented on that risk before breaking ground. They warned apple about it in 2018, even. This has been a know risk, and now there’s a fab that will be waiting for staff rather than the other way around like it normally is in Taiwan.
If the US was smart, they’d offer targeted VISA programs for industries that have historically exported engineers rather than importing them. But that’s a whole other incentive system with its own political issues.
I’m no industry expert, but I’d assume there’s also a shortage of other things necessary for a chip fab as well. Machining, component parts, etc. It’s not just the chip fab but also the local supply lines and economic infrastructure. That all has to be established from the ground up in AZ whereas it already exists in Asian locales like Taiwan, Korea, and China. Economist Noah Smith has been hammering about this for a while - he calls these network effects “agglomeration”
The wafer equipment market has more US roots than the fab market, as many tools are designed here (even if built in Asia). Their supply chains are different than TSMC/Samsung and less localized to “home country only”. Also, TSMC was bringing their supply chain with them for AZ.
I think ASML has already supplied the tooling for the factory, and GlobalFoundries has open headroom for substrates. It’s almost guaranteed that there’s some delays in other tooling, but supply for the factory is ready to go. The longest delayed parts are already installed.
maybe I misinderstand your meaning but at its heart the real problem is that chip engineers salary has been stuck at ten years ago for about twenty years. Like 50k usd.
This in and of itself is not a huge problem but with no downstream opportunities there isn’t enough talent considering a career toward the top of the value chain.
The 1980s and 1990s saw alot of people come back to Taiwan, but the 2010s and 2020s sees it happen in another direction (mainland, the salary is awesome).
Of course many will say factory workers don’t need to smart enough to do design. but IC production is complicated and needs skilled labor with some understanding of what they’re doing.
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It’s more than that. TSMC expects American workers to operate under Asian expectations which is long hours for lower pay. They can’t keep American workers b/c they just say no and work for the competition.
Whenever a company says “lack of skilled workers” or “labor shortage”, just assume that it’s corporate newspeak for “we are entirely unwilling to pay what the market demands for those skills”.
If they really wanted more skilled labour, then they’d hire entry level people.
Shockingly, that doesn’t happen. Huh!
Chang has been a throat slitter from the beginning. But the problem is lack of available engineers. TSMC even commented on that risk before breaking ground. They warned apple about it in 2018, even. This has been a know risk, and now there’s a fab that will be waiting for staff rather than the other way around like it normally is in Taiwan.
If the US was smart, they’d offer targeted VISA programs for industries that have historically exported engineers rather than importing them. But that’s a whole other incentive system with its own political issues.
I’m no industry expert, but I’d assume there’s also a shortage of other things necessary for a chip fab as well. Machining, component parts, etc. It’s not just the chip fab but also the local supply lines and economic infrastructure. That all has to be established from the ground up in AZ whereas it already exists in Asian locales like Taiwan, Korea, and China. Economist Noah Smith has been hammering about this for a while - he calls these network effects “agglomeration”
The wafer equipment market has more US roots than the fab market, as many tools are designed here (even if built in Asia). Their supply chains are different than TSMC/Samsung and less localized to “home country only”. Also, TSMC was bringing their supply chain with them for AZ.
I think ASML has already supplied the tooling for the factory, and GlobalFoundries has open headroom for substrates. It’s almost guaranteed that there’s some delays in other tooling, but supply for the factory is ready to go. The longest delayed parts are already installed.
Can’t say I’d be stoked to live in Arizona considering the recent heat wave either.
maybe I misinderstand your meaning but at its heart the real problem is that chip engineers salary has been stuck at ten years ago for about twenty years. Like 50k usd.
This in and of itself is not a huge problem but with no downstream opportunities there isn’t enough talent considering a career toward the top of the value chain.
The 1980s and 1990s saw alot of people come back to Taiwan, but the 2010s and 2020s sees it happen in another direction (mainland, the salary is awesome).
Of course many will say factory workers don’t need to smart enough to do design. but IC production is complicated and needs skilled labor with some understanding of what they’re doing.
I’ve always heard Intel was bad to work for. I have to imagine that’s if it’s worse under tsmc, then of course people won’t work there.