This way, reddit can slowly replace all the ‘problematic’ moderators. In my opinion the only chance the protest would have, was if all the moderators would quit at once if demands were not met.
You posted this comment in a community that didn’t exist before the protests. On day-1 of the protest this place was a ghost town. Today I have an active feed with dozens of posts per hour and hundreds of comments. This was the best possible outcome. If the entirety of reddit migrated at once then the fediverse would still be crawling or stalled completely. Its alpha software with a a fraction of the capacity reddit has. The threadiverse seed has been successfully planted, it just needs some time to grow.
I agree with the good outcome for this community and for me as a lemmy enthusiast.
My point is that the protest has been going on for some time and it doesn’t seem to be getting the desired results. I think the only powermove they would have would be to threaten (and be willing) to leave the platform en masse.
The issue there is that it’s kind of like saying “the only way to fix society is if everyone followed the law” - it places all assessments of success behind a nearly impossible standard. It also places all responsibility for that success solely onto mods putting their own interests ahead of their communities and/or the interest that brought them to volunteer as mods.
I participated in the protest, I’m here because of them, I facilitated protest actions within ‘my’ communities that wanted to protest - but I don’t think there was a world where mods alone could bring the site to its knees and force Reddit to backpedal. If anything - I think that any hope of dramatic action causing change died on the spot the moment the protest became “about mods” and users experienced the protest as something mods were doing to communities in order to reach Reddit.
So many mods acted unilaterally to shutter communities and the impact of that approach cultivated reddit’s existing anti-mod sentiments to fuel opposition to the protests and the cause. The vast bulk of people I saw trolling in protest subs, or arguing against protest in my own subs, were users who already had a history of disliking “reddit mods” as a significant theme in their account history.
But to average users, their shit and their communities and the things they like about reddit were being “taken away” by mods in a dispute between mods and Reddit. The hijack of messaging around the API to be about modding and about how much harder it’d be and how the API changes would affect mods - meant that users were also indirectly being told this was an issue that didn’t affect them if they didn’t use the apps affected.
The only dramatic impact that would have swayed Reddit Inc and won the matter was a fairly unanimous buy-in from the average user, a clear unified front, and a dramatic drop in user engagement. As long as they have the data showing that people are showing up and are using the site and are interested in using the site, they can deal with the interruptions to major communities and pull more compliant volunteers from the users that remain.
Thanks for your in-depth and interesting reply! One of the reasons I’m really liking Lemmy is this - when people disagree they are very civil about it. This is the way.
This way, reddit can slowly replace all the ‘problematic’ moderators. In my opinion the only chance the protest would have, was if all the moderators would quit at once if demands were not met.
You posted this comment in a community that didn’t exist before the protests. On day-1 of the protest this place was a ghost town. Today I have an active feed with dozens of posts per hour and hundreds of comments. This was the best possible outcome. If the entirety of reddit migrated at once then the fediverse would still be crawling or stalled completely. Its alpha software with a a fraction of the capacity reddit has. The threadiverse seed has been successfully planted, it just needs some time to grow.
I agree with the good outcome for this community and for me as a lemmy enthusiast. My point is that the protest has been going on for some time and it doesn’t seem to be getting the desired results. I think the only powermove they would have would be to threaten (and be willing) to leave the platform en masse.
The issue there is that it’s kind of like saying “the only way to fix society is if everyone followed the law” - it places all assessments of success behind a nearly impossible standard. It also places all responsibility for that success solely onto mods putting their own interests ahead of their communities and/or the interest that brought them to volunteer as mods.
I participated in the protest, I’m here because of them, I facilitated protest actions within ‘my’ communities that wanted to protest - but I don’t think there was a world where mods alone could bring the site to its knees and force Reddit to backpedal. If anything - I think that any hope of dramatic action causing change died on the spot the moment the protest became “about mods” and users experienced the protest as something mods were doing to communities in order to reach Reddit.
So many mods acted unilaterally to shutter communities and the impact of that approach cultivated reddit’s existing anti-mod sentiments to fuel opposition to the protests and the cause. The vast bulk of people I saw trolling in protest subs, or arguing against protest in my own subs, were users who already had a history of disliking “reddit mods” as a significant theme in their account history.
But to average users, their shit and their communities and the things they like about reddit were being “taken away” by mods in a dispute between mods and Reddit. The hijack of messaging around the API to be about modding and about how much harder it’d be and how the API changes would affect mods - meant that users were also indirectly being told this was an issue that didn’t affect them if they didn’t use the apps affected.
The only dramatic impact that would have swayed Reddit Inc and won the matter was a fairly unanimous buy-in from the average user, a clear unified front, and a dramatic drop in user engagement. As long as they have the data showing that people are showing up and are using the site and are interested in using the site, they can deal with the interruptions to major communities and pull more compliant volunteers from the users that remain.
Thanks for your in-depth and interesting reply! One of the reasons I’m really liking Lemmy is this - when people disagree they are very civil about it. This is the way.