If China shoots first, it won’t be USA alone. Philippines, Japan, Korea, and Australia will rally because they’d be most concerned about an expansionist China fucking up their side of the world.
But USA’s Navy and Marines would be expected to put in some degree of work for sure.
Isn’t the UN supposed to help out with those issues, like Ukraine?
UN isn’t a military alliance. So no. NATO is Atlantic-focused, so they’re not the right group either.
This isn’t a world policeman be the good guy situation though. This is a simple ‘our economy won’t work without Taiwan so we probably want to protect them’.
Um yeah. I’m a programmer. My livelihood kind of requires computers.
people would have to pay more for phones
No. You don’t understand. TSMC is the only factory that can make the iPhone chip in the world. When Taiwan is attacked, we’re almost certainly going to lose iPhones all together as the supply line locks up. If China permanently captures Taiwan, then it is going to be years before Apple can switch to Samsung / Korea or some alternative. Literally years, maybe nearly a decade. This isn’t “few less phones”, its “literally no iPhone chips for an extended period of time”.
Do you remember the big chip crisis of 2020 ? That was TSMC falling behind on a few orders. No chip factory ever got shutdown, it was just a minor supply blip from TSMC. Do you remember how that little blip cascaded into no cars, record high prices in electronics and other such disastrous events to our economy?
Now we’re trying to build a new supply chain that’s resilient to minor blips like that. But that takes even longer (and the Arizona TSMC plant continues to face delays in opening).
I don’t really think it’s important enough to go to war over. We have enough chips here to run things as is, and if there is a need we can have factories elsewhere. There are enough used phones to go around in the meantime. Most people don’t need new devices all the time. Our economy is based on the lie that growth is infinitely possible and that that’s something we want.
Every single Li-ion battery has a safety chip inside of it, a computer, likely made in Taiwan.
An EV requires absurd numbers of chips to build the battery management system, as well as all other electronics.
At a minimum, electrification will be stalled out when Taiwan gets attacked. Much like how we ran out of cars in 2021, it will be far worse.
This isn’t just consumer electronics yo. It is fucking everything of the modern world. Antilock brakes? Thermostat. Industrial plant automation. Weapons. ECG monitor / healthcare.
Even the COVID-19 vaccine was made on a supercomputer simulation.
This isn’t alarming enough to me to justify our military. We got though the pandemic fine, things were just more expensive. We already have chips in our brakes and everything, we just need to take care of what we have and build capacity for production in the meantime.
And the fear isn’t that they’ll go away, it’s that China will control Taiwan right? And if the US needs chips, we’ll just be able to buy them from China who would be happy to sell them. Of course I support Taiwan’s independence, but I support that because of their right to self sufficiency not because of their economic value to the country I live in.
We got though the pandemic fine, things were just more expensive
We had to shutdown multiple factories on just a minor blip of computer chips.
What we are talking about is a major disruption, a loss of Taiwan would mean no chips for YEARS, not just a few weeks worth of blip.
We already have chips in our brakes and everything, we just need to take care of what we have and build capacity for production in the meantime.
All the people working those factories will be furloughed or probably even laid off if the chip supply doesn’t get stabilized. In fact, they were furloughed over a minor blip in TSMC production.
And that’s not even tech workers like me who are directly impacted by the computer industry. I literally can’t do my job without chips.
2021 supply chain crunch wasn’t a “small thing” for many, many people. And that was a small chip disruption, not a big one like China invading Taiwan would be.
If China shoots first, it won’t be USA alone. Philippines, Japan, Korea, and Australia will rally because they’d be most concerned about an expansionist China fucking up their side of the world.
But USA’s Navy and Marines would be expected to put in some degree of work for sure.
UN isn’t a military alliance. So no. NATO is Atlantic-focused, so they’re not the right group either.
I guess I don’t see why the United States needs to be the world police with our military. We have tried this before and it’s not gone well.
This isn’t a world policeman be the good guy situation though. This is a simple ‘our economy won’t work without Taiwan so we probably want to protect them’.
Maybe a few tech companies would lose profits and people would have to pay more for phones, not that important to me.
Um yeah. I’m a programmer. My livelihood kind of requires computers.
No. You don’t understand. TSMC is the only factory that can make the iPhone chip in the world. When Taiwan is attacked, we’re almost certainly going to lose iPhones all together as the supply line locks up. If China permanently captures Taiwan, then it is going to be years before Apple can switch to Samsung / Korea or some alternative. Literally years, maybe nearly a decade. This isn’t “few less phones”, its “literally no iPhone chips for an extended period of time”.
Do you remember the big chip crisis of 2020 ? That was TSMC falling behind on a few orders. No chip factory ever got shutdown, it was just a minor supply blip from TSMC. Do you remember how that little blip cascaded into no cars, record high prices in electronics and other such disastrous events to our economy?
Now we’re trying to build a new supply chain that’s resilient to minor blips like that. But that takes even longer (and the Arizona TSMC plant continues to face delays in opening).
I don’t really think it’s important enough to go to war over. We have enough chips here to run things as is, and if there is a need we can have factories elsewhere. There are enough used phones to go around in the meantime. Most people don’t need new devices all the time. Our economy is based on the lie that growth is infinitely possible and that that’s something we want.
Every single Li-ion battery has a safety chip inside of it, a computer, likely made in Taiwan.
An EV requires absurd numbers of chips to build the battery management system, as well as all other electronics.
At a minimum, electrification will be stalled out when Taiwan gets attacked. Much like how we ran out of cars in 2021, it will be far worse.
This isn’t just consumer electronics yo. It is fucking everything of the modern world. Antilock brakes? Thermostat. Industrial plant automation. Weapons. ECG monitor / healthcare.
Even the COVID-19 vaccine was made on a supercomputer simulation.
This isn’t alarming enough to me to justify our military. We got though the pandemic fine, things were just more expensive. We already have chips in our brakes and everything, we just need to take care of what we have and build capacity for production in the meantime.
And the fear isn’t that they’ll go away, it’s that China will control Taiwan right? And if the US needs chips, we’ll just be able to buy them from China who would be happy to sell them. Of course I support Taiwan’s independence, but I support that because of their right to self sufficiency not because of their economic value to the country I live in.
We had to shutdown multiple factories on just a minor blip of computer chips.
What we are talking about is a major disruption, a loss of Taiwan would mean no chips for YEARS, not just a few weeks worth of blip.
All the people working those factories will be furloughed or probably even laid off if the chip supply doesn’t get stabilized. In fact, they were furloughed over a minor blip in TSMC production.
And that’s not even tech workers like me who are directly impacted by the computer industry. I literally can’t do my job without chips.
2021 supply chain crunch wasn’t a “small thing” for many, many people. And that was a small chip disruption, not a big one like China invading Taiwan would be.