In commemoration of the upcoming Transgender Day of Visibility (TDOV), President Joe Biden issued a statement praising trans people’s contributions to society and describing actions his administration has taken to counter transphobic bullying and extremism. Additionally, many members of Biden’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) also issued their own statements affirming that community health depends on supporting trans people too.
“Transgender Americans are part of the fabric of our Nation,” Biden wrote in his statement. “Whether serving their communities or in the military, raising families or running businesses, they help America thrive. They deserve, and are entitled to, the same rights and freedoms as every other American, including the most fundamental freedom to be their true selves.”
Yeah you’re cool with voting in the fascist killing Palestinians, and shitting on people for caring about genocide. Very cool.
I don’t like it either, but at least he’s not calling for Israel to finish the job (with a nuke). This is how low our standards have dropped.
It’s a 10 day old account, they are 100% a bad faith actor, and you know this because they don’t acknowledge any of the ways to push for better treatment of Palestinian civilians. They are using them as a prop to tell people to not vote for Joe Biden (which is its own brand of fucked up privileged), even though Joe Biden is pretty famous for being bullied into better positions. Voting against fascists is, indeed, the right move, and Joe Biden might be a centrist liberal, but he isn’t a fucking fascist.
Joe Biden is a fascist
I’m not sure you understand what a fascist is. Look at Modi and his party in India for a contemporary example.
I start with Mussolini
You have to separate the defining traits of a fascist regime from the other traits which typically accompany them. Some of them aren’t exclusive characteristics of a fascist regime, they’re just traits of conservative regimes in general.
no, I dont. a fascist is a fascist.
What? No that’s my whole point. Fascism is a specific thing, it isn’t just any old authoritarian conservative government.
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my first post here is asking what Lemmy is lol I’m just new here
And you are acting in bad faith. You set up a straw man argument so you can bash people for whatever their choice is. If you really meant to have actual discussion, you would. Instead you spout right-wing bullshit about “Biden bad boohoo”
You say he is the genocidal one, while he is actively being pushed to change his ways and taking responsibility while correcting the behavior. Slowly but surely. As opposed to the other side, which literally just wants to drop a nuke on the situation.
When people call you a bad-faith actor, it’s because you’re acting in bad faith.
He literally sent more weapons to Israel yesterday. You’re dumb as hell if you think he’s going to push back against the mainstream Democratic opinion that is in support of Israel. Only way to convince Democrats to change is to stop voting for them.
I’m sure you’ve heard all the arguments, if you are curious about my thoughts you can dig through my comment history or do some googling and guess at what they could be.
I think your sphincter is squeezing your neck too tight, and it’s cutting off the circulation to your brain.
Please list the descriptors that show Joe Biden is a fascist, because I’m looking at Umberto Eco’s and I see… maybe 1, if you reach a bit: “appeal to the middle class”
You probably fall under at least 4 though.
he’s funding a genocide, is the leader of a country that has one of the proportionally largest prison populations in the world that are used as slaves, the U.S. is a police state who spies on its own citizens and regularly just bombs/assassinates activist movements. Any president not acting to dismantle that is fascist.
shocking that you’re just learning this now, but the United States are the bad guys
That’s not really a good answer though. Those are policies put in place long before Biden became president, but not only that, you haven’t proposed an alternative. Your current solution is “Don’t vote for Biden” but the outcome is that you either get Biden, a continuation of the status quo at worst, or you get Trump, a continuation of the status quo AT BEST. You can pretend you live in a world where you get a third party candidate, but you don’t.
Which leaves you in an unfortinate bind, since that makes you a fascist by your own definition. You are trying to push a solution that would make the situation at best the same, and at worst, much, much worse. As you said:
I assume you would never take an action that would support a fascist. So, how can you argue that in a First-Past-The-Post voting system (and one that defaults to state legislatures if no majority is made), voting for a third party is a viable solution?
I think you can’t if you are against fascism. You can post links to antifascist movements, organizations, or steps to take, but the American election system is too fucked to argue against the two big parties unless you are ever the optimist, but I don’t think you are if you argue both parties are fascist.
If the Dems lose elections or nearly lose elections because 10% of voters choose a leftist third party, the party will move left to capture those voters. If we keep voting them in as-is, they will have no incentive to change. I am an optimist, actually, because I believe in the capacity for change. The results from the primary elections prove to me that this strategy is viable.
You’re forgetting that Democrats losing means Republicans winning. And when Republicans win elections, it pushes the entire country to the right. It happened with Reagan, the Tea Party, and Trump.
This approach only spirals us further into far right extremism.
We had Trump after 8 years of Obama…
I don’t think I’m following your argument
You’re forgetting that biden spent almost his entire career in the senate. He’s part of the political machine that put those policies into place. Things are only getting worse, which is how assholes like trump rise to start with. If things were going great, then a candidate like trump wouldn’t have found a foothold.
That’s not what fascism is?
Idk why your definition of fascism doesn’t include labor camps, war-mongering, and a militarized policing of our own people.
Because that’s not fascism. Fascism is hypernationalism and tacit acceptance of political violence to support your goals. Everything you’ve mentioned is usually there with fascist regimes, but it isn’t what makes the regime fascist.
There are many definitions of fascism, but, the United States absolutely fits the definition you just gave.
Not every country has their flags flying constantly. Not every country has a pledge of allegiance to a flag in their schools. And the United States has bombed, imprisoned, and assassinated domestic political threats.
Hmm. I do agree, the pledge of allegiance is really weird and fascistic. And you do have a point on the violence.
I suppose I typically see the violence as needing to be more pervasive, like how Trump supporters send death threats to judges and political opponents and the whole Jan 6 thing. But throughout our history, we have had violent intimidation of oppositional political figures.
I think I wouldn’t call the US fascist because it isn’t significantly pervasive, but I completely see your point, and I don’t begrudge you identifying it as fascist. I certainly see why you think that and I can’t disagree beyond semantics.
Fair enough. Personally, I do begrudge you not using the term Fascist because I think if more people used that term to refer to our government, more people would be rightfully angry. It is alarming and scary to me that people are not seeing this country for what it is. Words have power.
Umberto didn’t invent fascism
Mussolini did
Imagine posting your definition for fascism instead of nothing relevant.