On stuff outside of lemmygrad, we are receiving a lot of hate, especially by those who just moved from Reddit. Guess they lost their hidden privilege at Reddit as their rhetoric used to be almost universal over there, while genzedong and our other subs get censored and banned. And now, on lemmy, their stuff isn’t universal, as we are more prevalent here. Seems like they really want that hidden privilege back

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        Are you are defending, excusing, or justifying the persecution of LGBT people?

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            If you aren’t defending, excusing, or justifying the oppression of people by the USSR or PRC, then I’m not talking about you; you were not the type of person which “tankie” is typically used to describe

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              youre pretty fucking weird. being trans sucks everywhere right now, almost equally except for in certain areas like florida where theyre doing genocide. at least in china they dont have a media circus shitting on us 24/7, and theyre not doing genocide like florida, so its quite a bit better than the USA. the USSR pioneered many trans surgeries for trans men in, iirc, Latvia, actually.

              cuba is probably the best place for trans people in the world right now though, which again isnt saying much. the issue with cuba is they dont have enough docs for trans affirming care, though based on the cuban trans people ive talked to that is being resolved. trans healthcare is free there and with the new constitution, by law cuba has the best protections for LGBT people in the world.

              youre just misinformed about, well, everything, really, and never talked with LGBT people in other countries.

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                two things can do bad, you don’t need to defend China or the Soviet Union when they do oppression

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                  thats the thing though, is it oppression if they have no clue about you or what being trans even is? is it oppression by that country if other countries, which have expertise, arent providing aid and training for doctors on handling trans patients? i could see it as being a different aspect of life but i wouldnt feel comfortable comparing it to life in america, which is like living in hell because we are the preeminent culture war issue

                  and for the record, china does have trans healthcare in larger cities like shanghai and beijing, but there is a staffing issue, not enough docs with trans training which is again an issue of lack of awareness

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                    homosexuals were persecuted, yes that’s oppression

                    If you are a Communist, you don’t need to defend every aspect of every Communist state (yeah oxymoron, w/e), it’s okay to say “they did some things wrong”

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      They were persecuted, sadly. Communist countries stopped doing that shit earlier than capitalist ones.

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        True, an example of this was homosexuality being decriminalized in the GDR (East Germany) in 1957, it was only in 1969 that the FRG (West Germany) did it.

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        Yes, but I’m referring to people defending that persecution instead of just accepting that Communist countries can also be criticized

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            I don’t keep examples of internet extremists, and I wasn’t speaking within the context of this community

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              I wasnt concerned about “tankies” until I discovered they doubt chinese concentration camps for Uighur people

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                Saying China has “concentration camps” does a disservice to the real concentration camps of Nazi Germany. You’re diluting the definition until it no longer means anything. Same thing is happening with the word genocide now.

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      It took West Germany 2 decades to catch up with East Germany re: LGBTQ rights. Tge USSR was the primary opponent of the Nazis, do you know what they did to anyone falling outside of the sexual or gender norms? Germany was a bastion for queer people before the Nazis took over - Nazis quietly supported by Western powers under the hope that they would kill the Soviets (spoiler alert: they tried to kill every Slav). During the cold war in capitalist countries, homosexuality was generally illegal, often criminal, and was used to blackmail people, and notably used against high profile civil rights activists.

      Does that make the oppression that did exist in some socialist countries okay? Of course not. But they did much better than the capitalists, so it’s ridiculous to choose that as your primary criticism. Socialism isn’t a utopia and no socialists ever claim it is. It is a struggle, and the earlier it starts the better we can progress.

      Cubs is currently running circles sround capitalist countries with its new family code. Were you aware of this?

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        I don’t think reunified Germany has even caught up with East Germany on trans rights, though I don’t follow it that closely.

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        Does that make the oppression that did exist in some socialist countries okay? Of course not. But they did much better than the capitalists

        Okay, so you’re not the kind of person I’m talking about, I’m referring to the people that excuse those things