It’s pretty bizarre to see how many people agree with this take though. Every single one of us has said something online we probably wouldn’t say to someone’s face because we all understand that a shitty comment online does not hold the same weight as one offline does. Everything on here is impersonal, offhanded, out of pocket comments with strangers you’ll probably never even check the reply to. The interaction lasts as long as your attention span for it does.
It’s quite literally nothing alike. Walking up to a stranger, singling them out, then saying some fucked up shit has several immediate consequences you’re never exposed to online. Their facial reaction, their tone, their body language, signs we would read and associate as honest hurt we’ve caused which to any non-psychopath would in turn make us feel hurt for our words our actions. All shit I don’t experience when I tell some dickhead to suck shit through a straw.
Humans are social creatures (no shit) and the internet is not yet advanced enough to convey every aspect we’ve evolved and developed to communicate properly offline.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo
I think the example didn’t make the point very well. An asshole online is going to be an asshole in real life. They’re probably not screaming death threats at people in the streets, out of fear of the consequences, but they’re a dick in many other ways, for sure. Think that’s the part people are agreeing with.
I still maintain that’s nonsense. I’m confrontational, argumentative, and often just a real piece of shit online. My patience for people spewing complete stupidity with bold confidence ran out during the covid conspiracy theories. Yet, I greet every stranger with sir and ma’am even ones with fucking Trump hats on or “Biden crime family” bumper stickers. People I would light up on here.
These are different environments and those differences shouldn’t be disregarded for the sake of a “gotcha! You’re a dick here, there, everywhere - Sam I am”
So…you’re arguing with internet strangers that very likely have 0 influence in your community about extremist views, but letting the people who are actually physically in your presence carry on with those same beliefs and influence those around you.
Isn’t that a bit…futile?
Like I’m not saying you have to go out and physically fight people with Trump/Nazi paraphernalia or something, but it’s kind of a weird disconnect.
Arguments are never for the benefit of the person you’re arguing against as that person likely will not change their mind. I believe there are a few studies that strengthen that claim. So, when I argue with strangers, it’s for the benefit of the lurkers who fall somewhere between both of our ideas and are looking for something to push them in a direction. They’re willing to hear both sides or are simply entertained at the idea of someone they dislike being verbally flagulated. The people who are physically around me are more than likely not at a point in their lives where they’re open to discussion to be convinced out of the positions they hold.
I can’t imagine anything more futile than trying to reason with someone who hasn’t arrived at their beliefs by using it. However online the best outcome is I convince someone I’m right. At worst, I’m entertainment.
So, when I argue with strangers, it’s for the benefit of the lurkers who fall somewhere between both of our ideas and are looking for something to push them in a direction
Can’t this also apply to bystanders irl too? If someone sees you "sir/ma’am"ing someone with a Trump hat rather than ignoring them (or fighting them I guess), doesn’t that also change their perceptions of acceptability of those people?
I guess I just don’t get it, and if your internet argument statement is true, I never will. 🤷
Well sure but I really don’t think my local Wendy’s is the appropriate locale. Being polite with people you strongly disagree with isn’t compromising morals or contradictory, it’s knowing the right time and place for certain things. So yes while I could try my hand at professionally debating people where others have come to attend for that express purpose, that’s not really my skill set.
I also think you know the difference between this conversation and a debate on more serious and concrete positions. But hey, maybe you’re really convinced I should be verbally accosting everyone who shows public support for someone or something I don’t like and doing anything less is hypocrisy. I’m opening to being wrong by being right. Either way this was fun to elaborate on, hope you found it entertaining at least.
I kind of disagree with you. For the most part if I’ve said something online I meant it. I may not say it to a person face to face but that usually is because of their threat level, not how shitty or unshitty the comment I’m making is. There’s also other factors like there being a time and place etc. So I’m not gonna call someone an asshole who’s mom just died, even if they are an asshole. But I generally agree that if you’re an asshole online you’re probably an asshole in real life. Online is a somewhat extreme extension of self. Filters exist for social reasons but that doesn’t make filterless comments any less you than filtered ones.
Humans are social creatures (no shit) and the internet is not yet advanced enough to convey every aspect we’ve evolved and developed to communicate properly offline.
The internet supports high res video chat. If you can’t convey the same shit over video chat that you can in a real face to face conversation then I need to ask how you use telepathy because I want to as well.
Mm, yes, I really really really want to turn on a full body video camera every time I read and respond to online comments. That sounds super fucking practical with the technology and online social structures that we could implement it tomorrow. You’re a revolutionary who will be praised by historians for centuries to come.
By advanced I mean a solution that isn’t so flagrantly stupid yet accomplishes the same or similar goals as offline interactions. We can’t even reliably convey sarcasm without overtly stating it - defeating the point of sarcasm.
It’s pretty bizarre to see how many people agree with this take though. Every single one of us has said something online we probably wouldn’t say to someone’s face because we all understand that a shitty comment online does not hold the same weight as one offline does. Everything on here is impersonal, offhanded, out of pocket comments with strangers you’ll probably never even check the reply to. The interaction lasts as long as your attention span for it does.
It’s quite literally nothing alike. Walking up to a stranger, singling them out, then saying some fucked up shit has several immediate consequences you’re never exposed to online. Their facial reaction, their tone, their body language, signs we would read and associate as honest hurt we’ve caused which to any non-psychopath would in turn make us feel hurt for our words our actions. All shit I don’t experience when I tell some dickhead to suck shit through a straw.
Humans are social creatures (no shit) and the internet is not yet advanced enough to convey every aspect we’ve evolved and developed to communicate properly offline.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo
I think the example didn’t make the point very well. An asshole online is going to be an asshole in real life. They’re probably not screaming death threats at people in the streets, out of fear of the consequences, but they’re a dick in many other ways, for sure. Think that’s the part people are agreeing with.
I still maintain that’s nonsense. I’m confrontational, argumentative, and often just a real piece of shit online. My patience for people spewing complete stupidity with bold confidence ran out during the covid conspiracy theories. Yet, I greet every stranger with sir and ma’am even ones with fucking Trump hats on or “Biden crime family” bumper stickers. People I would light up on here.
These are different environments and those differences shouldn’t be disregarded for the sake of a “gotcha! You’re a dick here, there, everywhere - Sam I am”
So…you’re arguing with internet strangers that very likely have 0 influence in your community about extremist views, but letting the people who are actually physically in your presence carry on with those same beliefs and influence those around you.
Isn’t that a bit…futile?
Like I’m not saying you have to go out and physically fight people with Trump/Nazi paraphernalia or something, but it’s kind of a weird disconnect.
Arguments are never for the benefit of the person you’re arguing against as that person likely will not change their mind. I believe there are a few studies that strengthen that claim. So, when I argue with strangers, it’s for the benefit of the lurkers who fall somewhere between both of our ideas and are looking for something to push them in a direction. They’re willing to hear both sides or are simply entertained at the idea of someone they dislike being verbally flagulated. The people who are physically around me are more than likely not at a point in their lives where they’re open to discussion to be convinced out of the positions they hold.
I can’t imagine anything more futile than trying to reason with someone who hasn’t arrived at their beliefs by using it. However online the best outcome is I convince someone I’m right. At worst, I’m entertainment.
Thanks for taking the time to try to explain it to me, though. I appreciate it all the same.
Can’t this also apply to bystanders irl too? If someone sees you "sir/ma’am"ing someone with a Trump hat rather than ignoring them (or fighting them I guess), doesn’t that also change their perceptions of acceptability of those people?
I guess I just don’t get it, and if your internet argument statement is true, I never will. 🤷
Well sure but I really don’t think my local Wendy’s is the appropriate locale. Being polite with people you strongly disagree with isn’t compromising morals or contradictory, it’s knowing the right time and place for certain things. So yes while I could try my hand at professionally debating people where others have come to attend for that express purpose, that’s not really my skill set.
I also think you know the difference between this conversation and a debate on more serious and concrete positions. But hey, maybe you’re really convinced I should be verbally accosting everyone who shows public support for someone or something I don’t like and doing anything less is hypocrisy. I’m opening to being wrong by being right. Either way this was fun to elaborate on, hope you found it entertaining at least.
Being confrontational and argumentative to assholes isn’t being an asshole, it’s just calling out assholes.
I kind of disagree with you. For the most part if I’ve said something online I meant it. I may not say it to a person face to face but that usually is because of their threat level, not how shitty or unshitty the comment I’m making is. There’s also other factors like there being a time and place etc. So I’m not gonna call someone an asshole who’s mom just died, even if they are an asshole. But I generally agree that if you’re an asshole online you’re probably an asshole in real life. Online is a somewhat extreme extension of self. Filters exist for social reasons but that doesn’t make filterless comments any less you than filtered ones.
The internet supports high res video chat. If you can’t convey the same shit over video chat that you can in a real face to face conversation then I need to ask how you use telepathy because I want to as well.
Mm, yes, I really really really want to turn on a full body video camera every time I read and respond to online comments. That sounds super fucking practical with the technology and online social structures that we could implement it tomorrow. You’re a revolutionary who will be praised by historians for centuries to come.
By advanced I mean a solution that isn’t so flagrantly stupid yet accomplishes the same or similar goals as offline interactions. We can’t even reliably convey sarcasm without overtly stating it - defeating the point of sarcasm.
Are you being sarcastic? Or am I? 🤔 That’s not a problem of the technology. That’s a problem with the method of communication.