Which seas do you avoid?

  • Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 months ago

    As long as they participate in Steam sales, assuming they’re on Steam to begin with, PC games are more convenient to have in a library where I don’t have to manually update each game. Valve’s not perfect, with its 30% cut of sales being arguably too high (as is the case for all other platforms that defend its use as being an “industry standard”), but given Nintendo’s monetization of online gameplay and replacing the Virtual Console system with what is essentially console library rentals, I don’t mind putting up with updating Switch ROMs once in a blue moon if it means not supporting anti-consumer practices. Any games I had in my Switch library that are also on Steam I simply repurchased for the sake of convenience, however.

    • hector@sh.itjust.works
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      8 months ago

      30% allowing to use: Steam servers, Steam Workshop, Steam Cloud, Steamworks, Steam API

      All of this is free for the players and developers they got to find a way to pay for all of this.

      • Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        8 months ago

        Considering that Valve makes more money per employee than most major tech companies, it definitely seems like it would still be turning a profit if its share of sales were reduced to 15 or 20 percent. Steam’s services aren’t free; the 30% fee inflates the price of games by 43%. As with any company Valve needs to have a high enough profit margin to cover long-term costs and R&D budgets, but the 30% cut is an outdated industry standard from when server operating costs were substantially higher than today.

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          8 months ago

          Well I don’t know the internal details but looking at all the benefits and services provided to the developers and players this doesn’t seem unfair.

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            8 months ago

            Aside from hosting cloud saves and Steam workshop data, there aren’t many other services that justify a high fee to offset long-term costs. Steam trading cards, for instance, are just another source of revenue for Valve given that they also take a cut of sales from marketplace transactions.

            Given that Valve’s costs in developing Proton are offset by the higher Steam game purchase rates of Steam Deck users (myself included), the main benefit to developers is Steam’s user base. As with Apple and the iOS app store, however, having what amounts to a monopoly in a market segment is not a justification for high platform access fees.

            • hector@sh.itjust.works
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              8 months ago

              I mean… there’s Steam Workshop, Steam Voice, all the post, interactions, communities, etc… all of this have to weight a lot on their budget.

            • TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee
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              8 months ago

              My guess is that R&D as well as third-party Steam keys eat into their margins.

              It could be more sustainable with this higher fee as well. Valve supports old games for a long time whereas console manufacturers pull the plug 10 years later. You could argue that Microsoft takes only 12%, but Microsoft has the luxury of being able to exit the PC games market at any time, or they can take a loss on it indefinitely. Valve needs to survive off its PC store because it’s the only thing they really have

    • emhl@feddit.de
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      8 months ago

      With tinfoil and a good shop, updating switch rooms can be almost as convenient