• @Eheran@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    111 month ago

    Why not vegetarian first? Improving step by step?

    Vegan is not sustainable and far more effort, not possible for most. People try to get by. Unlike with emissions, a poor person essentially eats as much as the richest. But those are also those with the least free time and money to change to a different diet.

    • toomanypancakes
      link
      fedilink
      English
      161 month ago

      Why not vegetarian first? Because dairy is seriously messed up.

      Cows have an average lifespan of around twenty years off the top of my head. Cows are mammals, and produce milk to feed their young. To keep them producing milk, you have to keep them perpetually pregnant. This is done via artificial insemination the overwhelming majority of the time, where a farmer puts her in a rape rack, sticks their hand up her ass far enough to grab her cervix and align everything, then jams a syringe full of bull semen into her vagina.

      A side effect of pregnancy is children. Her calves are stolen from her after she gives birth, and murdered to be sold for veal. This cycle is repeated continually for four or five years until she becomes physically incapable of functioning from the repeated pregnancies. Then she’s slaughtered for her flesh too.

      Dairy is the meat industry, just with additional abuses. Vegetarians are continuing to support the abuse of animals. It makes much more sense to just go vegan from an ethical standpoint.

      • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        11 month ago

        Her calves are stolen from her after she gives birth, and murdered to be sold for veal.

        almost no calves end up as veal at all. the vast majority of cattle are brought to full weight before slaughter.

      • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        11 month ago

        Cows have an average lifespan of around twenty years off the top of my head.

        no, they don’t. they have an average life span of about 18 months as beef cattle and maybe 6 years as dairy cattle.

      • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        11 month ago

        To keep them producing milk, you have to keep them perpetually pregnant.

        this just isn’t true. they aren’t perpetually pregnant.

    • Beaver
      link
      fedilink
      English
      131 month ago

      A whole foods plant based is 30% cheaper and will save thousands of dollars in healthcare related costs.

      I’m low income can manage just fine as a vegan. The only extra time needed is to learn the new recipes.

      Abstract

      “It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements.”

      https://www.jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(16)31192-3/abstract

      • @Eheran@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        171 month ago

        Yeah, no, raising children vegan is the hardest possible thing to do safely/healthy. example from a study in Poland

        And this comes on top of the fact that vegan people are richer and spend much more time thinking/planing food than average people.

        • @ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          91 month ago

          So what does it mean for children on vegan and vegetarian diets?

          This doesn’t mean every child who follows these diets is going to have these nutritional and health benefits or problems. And we also can’t say whether these problems will persist into adulthood.

          But it does highlight potential risks which health practitioners and parents need to be aware of. And it’s a reminder to either find suitable replacements that align with the family’s diet philosophy, or prescribe supplements if a deficiency is diagnosed through a blood test.

          In particular, parents and caregivers need to be careful their children are maintaining a good intake of protein from a variety of vegan sources (beans, lentils, nuts) and calcium (from calcium supplemented plant milks).

          Whether you’re following a vegan, vegetarian or meat-eating diet, you still need to make sure the diet is balanced across all food groups.

          I get it might not be easy, especially if you’re just starting out, but “hardest possible thing to do safely” seems like a stretch.

          • @Eheran@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            21 month ago

            It is the hardest thing possible in terms of proving the right nutrition to your children using only vegan food. Any other form is easier. Any other age is easier.

      • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        11 month ago

        “It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that

        no, it’s not. this position expired. from your link:

        This position is in effect until December 31, 2021.

        they had been renewing it every time it expired, with as much of a gap as abut a year. it’s been 3 years. i don’t believe there is any reasot to think they are going to keep this same language if it is ever renewed at all.

      • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        11 month ago

        A whole foods plant based is 30% cheaper and will save thousands of dollars in healthcare related costs.

        not for everyone.