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This post got banned from !memes@lemmy.world for reason “Troll Posting” which is Very Disrespectful in my opinion. 😕
I mean this meme with full respect and love to my fellow community members and I was proud of the discussion and support it was creating.
EDIT: POST RESTORED YAY. (Thank you to the mods it turned out to be a misunderstanding.)
Important clarification/FAQ
I am not calling to coddle or excuse the behavior of bigoted men in any way!
I am calling to be kind and understanding to young men (often ages 10-20) who are very manipulable and succeptible to the massive anti feminist propaganda machine. Hope this clarifies that very important distinction. :)
Very good comments that express key points:
- Detailed summary of the situation if you’re wondering what’s going on
- The rhetorical value of the bear hypothetical and what this means for you
- One example of why the long-term rhetorical value of the hypothetical is poor, in the context of intersectionality
- What does disenfranchisement mean in this context?
- The importance of not asking women to tone down their expressions of fear and frustration
- “But why can’t they just say it nicely?”
- The importance of participation in kindness toward young men, specifically outside the context of people speaking their experiences
Dudes need to sack up and realize there’s a lot of dudes out there that are creepy. It’s up to you as a stand up dude to call these creepy dudes out when they act up. Women don’t owe you anything, you stand up for them because it’s the right thing to do, and not because you want sex.
Being a model and force of positive masculinity is chad, sigma-pilled, and hot as hell. 🙂↕️🥵🐺💪
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Nothing wrong with masculinity. Toxic masculinity is what we are against.
Toxic masculinity is applying that mentality to something inherent to men. So, man up, sack up, nut up, etc. The implication is that if you are not masculine, you should start being so. You got nuts, use em. Pretty toxic.
How about “grow up” “act an adult” or the like, at least then we’re not tying ability to change and be better with genital status.
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I was just trying to be helpful. No need to attack me for it.
Not in the context of the statement. If I punched them in the shoulder and said “sack up and don’t rub it” that would be toxic, sure. Instead I’m saying sack up/man up and have a higher level of emotional intelligence which is not exactly a classic toxic masculinity trait.
What you’re telling men is that they shouldn’t talk about how the constant referral to creepy men/douchebags as simply “men” does have a negative effect on the mental health of normal men and the way women perceive them.
Absolutely. Unfortunately, I think the biggest impact of decent men standing up for fair treatment for women will simply be to make the cretins run back under their rocks - certainly good, but not enough. It’ll take generational change, changing the way boys are raised, the kind that’s been slowly happening with each successive wave of feminism, to truly solve this problem.
I was lucky enough to have a mother who was, despite being otherwise fairly conservative, unyieldingly feminist (in practice and speech, if not in labeling). I was raised with the knowledge that women, fundamentally, are people (gasp), for better and worse, and that society unfairly discriminates against women and harasses them for no other reason than the petty cruelty of a few who benefit and the many who are easily misled or hope to benefit.
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Yes but do you condemn Hamas.
But people actually choose to support a book that suggests stoning gay people to death. It’s not an inherent part of what you are.