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  • @Geyser@lemmy.worldEnglish
    50•5 months ago

    Take Tesla for whatever you will, but there’s crazy conflict of interest behind the dawn project/Dan o’dowd attacking this.

    “Green Hills also develops automotive software—it’s about 40 percent of the company’s business, O’Dowd said—and is a software supplier for the 2022 BMW iX EV crossover. This has caused O’Dowd critics and Tesla fans to call out The Dawn Project’s conflict of interest and question the organization’s motives.”

    https://www.motortrend.com/features/tesla-full-self-driving-ban-attempt-elon-musk-dan-odowd/

    • @cm0002@lemmy.worldEnglish
      28•5 months ago

      Def conflict of interest, but they aren’t necessarily lying, I’ve personally lost all trust in Teslas autopilot the day Musk stated (paraphrasing) that “aLl wE NeED arE CAmEraS” like no thanks, a safety critical system should have a fall back system. Cameras fuck up a lot and LiDAR came down a lot in cost since then, but anybody who actually even halfway knows what they’re doing could have predicted that.

      And then all the things Musk’s done since just solidified that lol

      I am so ready to get a fully autonomous car, but not a fucking Tesla that’s for damn sure, I’ll wait for some other manufacturer.

        • @TheMinions@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12•5 months ago

          I have used both. Even under ideal conditions the cameras only is noticeably worse.

          I recall parking in a parking lot and the camera systems showed that I was hitting a car while I was about a foot away from it. Lidar did not have any issues like that. And it was a perfectly sunny day.

        • @batmaniam@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12•5 months ago

          If I still have to pay attention, what my Hyundai has is fine. I think that’s the biggest issue with any FSD. Theres a sharp diminishing returns past a point. If I can’t take a nap, I don’t care. And I’ll trust any of them the day there are laws on the books imposing a $7.5MM fine per casualty.

          Those cars make the manufacturer money while hoisting the risk onto the public. People talk about stats compared to human drivers, it’s not about stats, it’s about accountability.

        • @cm0002@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8•5 months ago

          First of all, Mr. Fanboy, Musk has been touting it as a Full Self Driving program for a long time, they’ve somewhat stopped that recently after regulators started looking into it and you cite their website like they wouldn’t change it lmao.

          You’re even commenting in a thread about an article on their deceptive practices with it.

          Second, it’s quite clear from my comment that I’m not interested in a “Driver Assist Program” I’m interested in a Fully Autonomous vehicle. “Driver Assist” is a nice feature, but not one I’m going to buy a whole new car for. When Tesla eventually (if ever) comes out with their Full Full Self Driving, however, I won’t get it because they’ve lost my trust in it from all these shenanigans they’re pulling now.

          Third, there’s absolutely a need in a life and death safety critical autonomous system to have another “sight” system. There’s not even a cost excuse anymore and disabling the existing systems is asinine and potentially dangerous. Musk is just incapable of admitting when he’s wrong and revising his plan like an adult.

          Camera only systems get things wrong all the time, they have gaps and scenarios where they just don’t work all that well. LiDAR does too, but in different situations, so their strength comes when melded together to complement each other.

          Stop licking Elons boot and get a mind for yourself.

    • @bionicjoey@lemmy.caEnglish
      17•5 months ago

      Yeah no way shitting on a company could be worth the price of a super bowl ad unless also peddling something yourself.