• @SheeEttin@programming.dev
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    66 months ago

    Biden is an empty suit. If the party tells him to change, he’ll change.

    Alternatively, Trump wins and everything gets even shittier, and we lose even the possibility for things to get better.

    • @go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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      56 months ago

      I like how you found yourself being down voted the moment you acknowledged what a piss poor excuse for “Democracy” this is.

      • @SheeEttin@programming.dev
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        66 months ago

        Yup. But in the choice of who to vote for president, there’s the establishment candidate, or the “dictator for a day” candidate. Or there’s not voting, which is saying “yes, either of those are okay”. One of those things has the chance of making progress, and it should be obvious.

          • @nomous@lemmy.world
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            16 months ago

            Insulin prices are lower now, a bunch of student loans are being forgiven. I know it’s not the single payer collectivism we’d all like but to say it’s not progress at all is a bit hyperbolic.

            • @go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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              26 months ago

              If we’ve progressed over the last 20 years then what are you panicking about? You can’t tell me we’ve made progress while also telling me our Democracy is less secure than it was 20 years ago.

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                You can’t tell me we’ve made progress while also telling me our Democracy is less secure than it was 20 years ago.

                Sure I can. We’ve made progress in some areas but we have a long way to go. Crying because you didn’t get everything you wanted is a republican move, you have to agitate and work for what you want if you actually want it. Shitposting isn’t going to do much. You act like 20 years is a long time, that’s just a couple election cycles lol. How long do you think the right-wing has been angling for their end goals?

                • @go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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                  16 months ago

                  Crying because you didn’t get everything you wanted is a republican move

                  I’m not crying. I’m just not showing up to vote. Are you unable to see the difference? Sounds to me like you don’t understand how Democracy works. Sounds to me like you’re the one crying because I won’t support your garbage candidate.

                  you have to agitate

                  I’m agitating you, neoliberals, the DNC, Democrat politicians and Biden by not voting for Biden. It’s up to all of you to decide to listen or not. If you don’t want to listen fine, ignore me. If you want my vote fucking pay attention. Make a choice.

                  • @nomous@lemmy.world
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                    16 months ago

                    I’m agitating you, neoliberals, the DNC, Democrat politicians and Biden

                    I certainly hope you are comrade but I suspect you’re just sitting at home screeching online, indignance feels good and the work is hard.

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      6 months ago

      And the Party would tell him to change if the Party knew they’d lose the presidency.

      Do you think the Party would rather Trump win than stop supporting Israel? I doubt that.

      • @SheeEttin@programming.dev
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        56 months ago

        They know they’re not going to lose on this issue, though, because anyone who seriously evaluates the election has come to the same conclusion that I already said: a Trump victory is the worst outcome. Again, you’ll have to put pressure on the party through other means, just one of which is electing more leftist downballot candidates.

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          They know they’re not going to lose on this issue, though, because anyone who seriously evaluates the election has come to the same conclusion that I already said: a Trump victory is the worst outcome.

          Okay, so my vote is irrelevant, got it. I’ve asked elsewhere and I’ll ask it here: why are you crawling up my dick about it? If my presidential vote doesn’t matter because “they’re not going to lose on this issue” then I can comfortably just leave that spot blank.

          Again, you’ll have to put pressure on the party through other means, just one of which is electing more leftist downballot candidates.

          Which I’m doing.

          • @go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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            46 months ago

            Exactly these people talk out of both sides of their mouths. On the one hand we don’t matter, on the other we’re responsible for HRC losing in 2016. It’s so fucking pathetic.

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          36 months ago

          They may actually lose on this issue. Democrats rely pretty heavily on younger voters and a lot of the really young voters, Zoomers, are making this a do or die issue, even though both of our only two parties with any chance of winning will support the genocide regardless.

      • @SUPERcrazy3530@lemmy.world
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        36 months ago

        I don’t understand why people think the democrats losing to someone farther right would make them move left. Doesn’t it make more sense they’d move to the right since that’s what more voters wanted?

            • @go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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              16 months ago

              It’ll never happen. Too many primary voters are specifically out to fuck over leftist and progressives. Then they turn around and cry foul when we refuse to show up in the general. Fuck them.

              • @SUPERcrazy3530@lemmy.world
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                16 months ago

                Maybe not every democrat is a progressive and that’s why they vote against them? That’s democracy, not everyone agrees with you and sometimes you don’t get your way. Gotta work to change people’s mind and not just say fuck ‘em.

                • @go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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                  26 months ago

                  Maybe not every democrat is a progressive and that’s why they vote against them?

                  Then they’re responsible for getting their piece of shit candidate elected in the general.

                  Gotta work to change people’s mind and not just say fuck ‘em.

                  They won’t. And I’m not going to keep propping up their procorporate trash candidate. If they want my vote they’ll have to hold their nose in the primaries and vote for someone more progressive or leftist than they’d like.

                  Don’t like it? That’s democracy, not everyone agrees with you and sometimes you don’t get your way.