Currently, people on the Fediverse seem to try to turn it into a fortress for the post-Biden era. What about a different approach: why don’t we try to save the status quo and then think about how t…
What if we want democracy but nothing to do with Liberalism? Let’s work towards a more progressive, humanity focused social agenda. Let’s make people happy again.
That’s black and white thinking and undemocratic. Conservatives respect democracy and should therefore be a part of it.
Also they obviously something to contribute, next to Liberalism and Socialism, Conservatism is one of the biggest political traditions. Let’s not be so stupid to assume that it’s complete bullshit.
Conservatism protects traditional institutions, watches that change is not too fast and traditionally, also warns against too much destructering of traditional societal structures by the market. Maybe modern conservatives don’t necessary do all of that, but it’s a tradition that has earned itself.
Can you define how Liberalism is different from Progressivism? I’ve always self-identified as progressive because I don’t feel liberal democrats go far enough, but I don’t actually know what makes Liberalism distinct from something more progressive.
liberalism aligns with capitalism. most progressives are anticapitalist.
sure, liberals are normally progressives too, the counterpart of the moderates and the conservatives which are all capitalists, but they are usually perceived as not real progressives by the socialists, etc.
It’s my (fairly uneducated) observation and understanding that liberalism is often significantly more aligned with conservatism than socialism, for example. It’s ultimately under the umbrella of ideologies that support and prop up capitalism.
It’s ultimately under the umbrella of ideologies that support and prop up capitalism.
I think that’s a good summary.
“Classical liberalism” is basically what modern libertarians want: a laissez-faire capitalist economy, a secular representative government with very limited powers, prioritizing individual freedom over collective well-being, etc.
In my part of the world “liberalism” is now commonly used to refer to a different set of priorities: creating economic safety nets, regulating business, promoting universal healthcare, unions, gender equality, racial equality, etc. Though capitalism and a secular representative government are still part of the mix.
What if we want democracy but nothing to do with Liberalism? Let’s work towards a more progressive, humanity focused social agenda. Let’s make people happy again.
You can have that. But I also want conservatives in the Fediverse to simulate societal debate better here. Defederation still exists, of course.
It’s not about agreeing on everything but about finding common grounds again between opposing parties that at least share some common values.
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That’s black and white thinking and undemocratic. Conservatives respect democracy and should therefore be a part of it.
Also they obviously something to contribute, next to Liberalism and Socialism, Conservatism is one of the biggest political traditions. Let’s not be so stupid to assume that it’s complete bullshit.
Conservatism protects traditional institutions, watches that change is not too fast and traditionally, also warns against too much destructering of traditional societal structures by the market. Maybe modern conservatives don’t necessary do all of that, but it’s a tradition that has earned itself.
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Can you define how Liberalism is different from Progressivism? I’ve always self-identified as progressive because I don’t feel liberal democrats go far enough, but I don’t actually know what makes Liberalism distinct from something more progressive.
liberalism aligns with capitalism. most progressives are anticapitalist.
sure, liberals are normally progressives too, the counterpart of the moderates and the conservatives which are all capitalists, but they are usually perceived as not real progressives by the socialists, etc.
It’s my (fairly uneducated) observation and understanding that liberalism is often significantly more aligned with conservatism than socialism, for example. It’s ultimately under the umbrella of ideologies that support and prop up capitalism.
I think that’s a good summary.
“Classical liberalism” is basically what modern libertarians want: a laissez-faire capitalist economy, a secular representative government with very limited powers, prioritizing individual freedom over collective well-being, etc.
In my part of the world “liberalism” is now commonly used to refer to a different set of priorities: creating economic safety nets, regulating business, promoting universal healthcare, unions, gender equality, racial equality, etc. Though capitalism and a secular representative government are still part of the mix.