• @Vytle@lemmy.world
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    1196 months ago

    Bro can i just say that i fucking hate that anti-semetic is even an argument used when someone demonstrates support for Hamas? it doesnt even make sense because by definition both parties are semetic.

    • @SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world
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      1486 months ago

      I think there is a very good argument of antisemitism if you support Hamas. There is no argument for antisemitism if you support Palestinians.

          • @lolcatnip@reddthat.com
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            6 months ago

            “Hamas vs Israel” is a category error. It’s Hamas vs Likud or Palestine vs Israel. Nobody should support Hamas or Likud. Nobody should even tolerate them. They’re both terrorist groups whose goal is genocide.

          • @LwL@lemmy.world
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            226 months ago

            “Race” for humans is a made up concept and “racism” has been used to refer to any kind of hating a group for their ethnicity. “Ethnicity” is a very ambiguously defined concept notably including shared attributes like nationality, language, history, religion, etc.

            I, too, am not a fan of words being used incorrectly, but this is not an incorrect use of “racism”.

          • @lolcatnip@reddthat.com
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            People are killing each other over land and historical grievances, not whether to call God Allah or Yahweh.

          • volvoxvsmarla
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            16 months ago

            Biologically speaking, there is only one human race. So, does that make the word “racism” invalid? It’s a stupid term whose origin makes no sense, but I’d argue its meaning had transcended its original linguistic root. Same for anti-“semitism”.

            • @Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
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              16 months ago

              Biologically speaking, there is only one human race

              The colloquial term for a group with common physical features is race. That biologists have a different technical meaning isn’t relevant. If you deny that people categorize others and call it “race” then you deny racism.

              Racial:

              “relating to the major groupings into which humankind is sometimes divided on the basis of physical characteristics or shared ancestry.”

              I’d argue its meaning had transcended its original linguistic root.

              But this is religious discrimination. I’ve already shown that neither ethnic group nor racial group matters in this situation.

    • @Custodian1623@lemmy.world
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      406 months ago

      Colloquially yeah it makes a lot of sense to say Hamas is antisemitic, the word means hatred for Jews regardless of the etymology of ‘semite’. Take it up with marriam-webster, not the people correctly using the modern definition of the word

      • @Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml
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        266 months ago

        Hamas Charter, excerpt.
        16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

        • @Custodian1623@lemmy.world
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          86 months ago

          if you choose to believe that Hamas is not antisemitic that’s your prerogative. I only note that so long as there is a hatred of Jews the word is being used correctly.

          • @zbyte64
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            6 months ago

            I hear both (non-settler) Jews and Christians live in Gaza, that wouldn’t be possible if Hamas was all about Jew hating…

                • @uncouthterran@reddthat.com
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                  66 months ago

                  After the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, the Jews of Mandatory Palestine became Israeli citizens, and the term Palestinian Jews has largely fallen into disuse and is somewhat defunct, in favour of the modern term Israeli Jews.

                  It says in the wiki article that they became Israeli citizens. What are you on about?

                  • @zbyte64
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                    56 months ago

                    Yet people still claim the label “Palestinian Jew” - are we to deny their claim to belief?

      • @zbyte64
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        6 months ago

        I guess that would make Israel anti-Semitic as well.

    • @misophist@lemmy.world
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      206 months ago

      it doesnt even make sense because by definition both parties are semetic.

      Oof, either you’re just grossly misinformed and performing a cringey “ackchually”, or you’re anti-semitic yourself and perpetuating anti-semitic rhetoric.

      While yes, both are Semitic people, the term ‘anti-semitic’ was specifically coined by Nazi Germany to make their genocide seem like it had a basis in science. They specifically used it to refer to Jews. Nobody uses “anti-semitic” to mean all semites except hate groups and holocaust deniers who are trying to say “see, it doesn’t even mean Jews specifically! Jews are just playing the victim!”

      I will assume you’re simply ignorant or misinformed, but feel free to correct me if this was actually an intentional dog-whistle.

    • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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      26 months ago

      Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who interpret it as referring to racist hatred directed at all “Semitic people” (i.e., those who speak Semitic languages, such as Arabs, Assyrians, and Arameans). This usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus (lit. ‘antisemitism’) was first used in print in Germany in 1879[17] as a “scientific-sounding term” for Judenhass (lit. ‘Jew-hatred’),[18][19][20][21][22] and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.