by Ironlily

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    7 months ago

    Maybe the boob armor can be defended (nah), but how do you explain the exposed leg, that’s terrible protection. Not to mention that giant sword being held like that

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      7 months ago

      but how do you explain the exposed leg, that’s terrible protection.

      I dunno. Go ask the Landsknechts

      I think we look back at history and realize these mercenaries had increasingly audacious costumes to stick out, possibly to better make a name of themselves. But… its historical. That’s literally how Landsknechts dressed.

      Given the mercenary / audacious ways of fighting, it is quite possible Landsknechts used crazy weapons like Zweihanders to increase their odds of being remembered on the battlefield. They were grossly more skilled than everyone else on the battlefield, so it wasn’t about optimizing fighting anymore, but instead optimizing the chance you’re remembered by the local kings so that you’d get hired in the next fight.

      But I’m not a specialist of this era. You’d probably have to ask someone who studied specific guilds / mercenaries back then for more precise details.

      Not to mention that giant sword being held like that

      Dude, that’s literally a historical Landsknecht pose.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsknecht

      Zweihanders were heavy, people rested them on the shoulder a lot of the time. How else were you supposed to use these things?

      EDIT: Note, this Zweihander here is STILL shorter than a typical Pike. So even with a weapon of this size, you’re fighting with less range than the typical 1500s opponent. Bigger == better was a thing at this time.

      Zweihanders were only popular for a few dozen years, but their absurd size made them a historical curiosity. Real soldiers (“Double Soldiers”, because they were paid double a regular soldier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelsöldner) used them. You needed a sword that big to deal with the increasingly large pikes and halberds of the 1500s, though gunpower was beginning to really take off at this time.

      If you’ve got any HEMA friends, I do recommend grabbing a Zweihander from them and feeling it. Its surprisingly nimble, not too heavy. But the bulky size makes it difficult to rest. Its a very fast weapon due to its size and surprisingly light swingweight. I’d say that poleaxes (like Glaives) or other “axe” shapes on the end of a stick felt heavier to me., though they probably weigh about the same. A sword just naturally swings faster due to less weight on the end (though a poleaxe will have more power / armor penetration capabilities).

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        7 months ago

        I dunno friend, if they were just employed to fuck up unruly poor people then I suppose that fit is fine but it’s gotta be really bad in an actual war, right? You mentioned long pikes and halberds, that’s exactly the sort of thing I would not want to meet while unprotected and with a unwieldy weapon. Then again, I’m not a 14th century mercenary and maybe they knew a thing or two.

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          7 months ago

          14th century

          16th century and it makes a big difference.

          16th century means you are fighting guns on the battlefield, though halberds were still used cause the guns were very slow.

          But a bullet will pass through you if you were unarmored. If you had armor, the armor catches the bullet and then stabs you, so now you can’t even remove the armor anymore. So it’s worse… The bullet AND armor is embedded inside you.