• @broface@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    yet refuse to negotiate for a viable piece?

    Look at any colonized people who have made peace on their colonizer’s terms for why they might not want to do that.

    Let’s see here, just off the top of my head:

    Native Americans, Native Australians, Native South Africans.

    To be fair, Palestine already resembles the reservations and slums the native people I mentioned have been forced into by their colonizers.

      • CheezyWeezle
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        208 months ago

        When you declare a genocide on a group of people don’t be surprised when they fight back.

        So, to be clear here, you are condemning Israel here, correct? The ones who are actually perpetuating a genocide?

          • AphoticDev
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            168 months ago

            Israel started the genocide. For that matter, they have a long history of starting fights with their neighbors. Sometimes it works out for them, and sometimes it doesn’t, but the common theme is they always blame it on people wanting to genocide the Jews. Only idiots still fall for that shit.

            Lucky for them, they have powerful allies that cover for them and drag their asses out of the fire each time. But public opinion is slowly changing, and at some point it’s going to tip and Israel is going to pick a fight where nobody comes to their rescue. When that happens, I hope I’m around to appreciate them receiving their just rewards for being truly inhuman monsters.

              • AphoticDev
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                78 months ago

                That’s funny, because Israel has also invaded Muslim countries on multiple occasions, and even conspired with Western powers to invade their neighbors. Wars which caused controversy in those Western nations, but not towards Israel, because if you criticize Israel you’re suddenly a nazi. Despite the fact that Israeli government officials have clearly spoken out on social media many times saying that their goal is the elimination of Arabs and Muslims in Palestine.

                I have no sympathy for Israel. Every one of those 1400 dead of theirs took part in a system built to destroy Arabs and take their lands, and every one of them that died is one less oppressor of the Palestinian people. The latest polls show public support in the US for Israel is dropping. One day, the scales will tip, and the cash and weapon flow to those murderers will stop. And then all the sins of Israel will come back to haunt them.

                  • AphoticDev
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                    58 months ago

                    There’s been an 11 point rise in public support for Palestinians in the US since the war began early this month. There’s also been an 11 point drop in Biden’s approval rating in that same time. And you’re calling me delusional? Not everyone is buying the innocent victim act anymore. Times are changing, whether you cling desperately to the old reality or not.

                • @jimbo@lemmy.world
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                  38 months ago

                  Every one of those 1400 dead of theirs took part in a system built to destroy Arabs and take their lands

                  It’s pretty fucking wild that your brain can hold that thought…that 1400 Israelis were somehow complicit in their own murder…and also the thought that the Gazans are nothing but sweet, innocent victims without any agency.

                  • prole
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                    48 months ago

                    I think they were referring to the compulsory military service. So yes, they’re all, at one point or another, part of the Israeli genocide machine

                  • AphoticDev
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                    18 months ago

                    Are the Gazans sweet and innocent? I couldn’t care less if they are. They’re the oppressed, and liberation always takes drenching the enemy of the people with so much of their own blood they cannot continue to oppress you.

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              8 months ago

              “For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews’ return here impossible”

              “The operations of calculated destruction were set in motion. I Knew that the Jewish Quarter was densely populated with Jewish populations who caused their fighters a good deal of interference and difficulty. I embarked, therefore on shelling of the quarter with mortars creating harassment and destruction. Only for days after our entry into Jerusalem, the Jewish Quarter become their graveyard. Death and destruction reigned over it. As the down of May 28th was about to break, the Jewish Quarter emerged in convulsive cloud-a cloud of death and agony” -Abdullah el Tell, a commander of the Arab Legion
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Jerusalem#Islamization_of_Jerusalem_under_Jordanian_rule

              This is how the Jews were treated when the shoe was on the other foot, when Jerusalem and the West Bank were annexed by Jordan, (A belligerent fighting for the Palestinians against Israel in 1948,) it was immediately ethnically cleansed:

              In 1950 Jordan annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and in 1954 granted Jordanian nationality to its non-Jewish residents who had been Palestinian nationals before 15 May 1948. During the nineteen years of Jordanian rule in the West Bank, a third of the Jewish Quarter’s buildings were demolished. According to a complaint Israel made to the United Nations, all but one of the thirty-five Jewish houses of worship in the Old City were destroyed. The synagogues were razed or pillaged and stripped and their interiors used as hen-houses or stables.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Jordan#Jordan_relations_with_Israel

              Today there are no Jewish citizens of Jordan.

    • @TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works
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      I feel like you are missing the line between fighting for their freedom, and publicly raping innocent concert goers to death a bit, though. I completely understand them lashing out. I will never understand the targets that they chose to lash out at. It’s not smart from a strategic standpoint, even.