With the latest and greatest EU threaty driving for ever closer political, legal and fiscal union, which was the whole point of the Lisbon Treaty, the EU could have made the same mistake. Not only did this terrible idea start the calls for Brexit, it may well reduce further membership growth.
Edit This is not a pro Brexit statement and I don’t understand the downvotes. I stated that the Lisbon Threaty was a terrible idea and I’m making the point that it caused another terrible thing. The history is well documented. Blair made an election promise for a referendum on Lisbon. When he saw the way the referendum would go, he abandoned the idea and signed Lisbon anyway. Cameron, in the opposition, therefore, made an election promise on membership, and he won the General election and a change from Labour to Conservative government. He followed through with the referendum, very confident he would win the remain vote. Johnson lied his ass off and convinced enough people to win the leave vote. My only fucking point is that I agree with the poster I am replying to and here’s another example of trying to take homogeneous union too fucking far.
My comment is a reflection on the somewhat fragile nature of the USA as a single federal nation, as alluded to in the comment I was replying to, and how the EU is driving well beyond what has been tried there - for example fiscal union is not a goal in the US. People can downvote me all they want, but it is not a pro Brexit statement. It’s very rare for people outside the US to understand the very strongly independence each individual state is, with limited fiscal and political union. Unfortunately the Lisbon Threaty has set the EU on a path of ultimate destruction, which will happen whether you downvote me or not 🤷♂️
With the latest and greatest EU threaty driving for ever closer political, legal and fiscal union, which was the whole point of the Lisbon Treaty, the EU could have made the same mistake. Not only did this terrible idea start the calls for Brexit, it may well reduce further membership growth.
Edit This is not a pro Brexit statement and I don’t understand the downvotes. I stated that the Lisbon Threaty was a terrible idea and I’m making the point that it caused another terrible thing. The history is well documented. Blair made an election promise for a referendum on Lisbon. When he saw the way the referendum would go, he abandoned the idea and signed Lisbon anyway. Cameron, in the opposition, therefore, made an election promise on membership, and he won the General election and a change from Labour to Conservative government. He followed through with the referendum, very confident he would win the remain vote. Johnson lied his ass off and convinced enough people to win the leave vote. My only fucking point is that I agree with the poster I am replying to and here’s another example of trying to take homogeneous union too fucking far.
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My comment is a reflection on the somewhat fragile nature of the USA as a single federal nation, as alluded to in the comment I was replying to, and how the EU is driving well beyond what has been tried there - for example fiscal union is not a goal in the US. People can downvote me all they want, but it is not a pro Brexit statement. It’s very rare for people outside the US to understand the very strongly independence each individual state is, with limited fiscal and political union. Unfortunately the Lisbon Threaty has set the EU on a path of ultimate destruction, which will happen whether you downvote me or not 🤷♂️