It really looks like Sony is just churning out the Spider-Movies so they don’t lose the licensing rights.
The only hits they had were the Spider-Verse flicks and those stood on the shoulders of what was essentially slave labor…
https://www.dualshockers.com/across-the-spiderverse-artist-abuse-superhero-movies/
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/23/23771199/across-the-spider-verse-working-conditions-phil-lord
It does look like they’re churning out junk for the license.
Though I think the Venom movies were considered successful as well. And the latest live action Spider-Man trilogy was also Sony and successful, but they relied heavily on Marvel and its universe.
The last live action trilogy were Marvel movies in partnership with Sony.
The last live action Sony Spider-Man movies were ASM and ASM2.
Marvel Studios would explore opportunities to integrate MCU characters into future Spider-Man films, which Sony Pictures would continue to finance, distribute, and have final creative control over.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_Homecoming
Basically Marvel became producers for the films but Sony still made them.
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Idk what rock you’ve been living under, but the new Flash movie got absolutely trashed by critics and audiences, and everyone knows what a huge piece of shit Ezra Miller is.
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A lot of the hype for Flash had to do with Keaton’s reprisal of Batman. Comparing Miller’s lead billing versus Heard’s role in AM2 being reduced is a bit farcical, no? The only way to reduce Miller’s role in Flash would have been to cancel the film.
I really wanted to like The Flash movie and was disappointed.
You’re looking too hard for a controversy that isn’t there. This is a Sony live-action Spiderman adjacent film. All of them have been terrible. Madam Web is terrible too.
People criticized Venom, Venom 2, Morbius, and now Madame Web. People will probably criticize the solo Kraven movie whenever that comes out too. It’s not a conspiracy against women, it’s that Sony seems to fundamentally not understand how to make a good superhero flick.
It’s not limited to non-Spiderman either. ASM and ASM2 were trash as well.
Sony hasn’t had a good Spider-Man movie since Spider-Man 2 in 2004.
Into the Spiderverse was pretty stellar though, and Across the Spiderverse was a good sequel. I’d say both are on par with the original Sam Reimi trilogy, with the caveat that they are fully animated productions instead of live-action.
I’d say the spiderverse movies are significantly better than the original trilogy.
I just watched The Marvels, and I liked it quite a bit, if I stopped short of loving it (but honestly, who LOVES marvel movies? The entire point is high floor/low ceiling entertainment). The plot meanders and it has a typical Marvel “understandable but underdeveloped” villain, but the leads had good chemistry, the switching dynamic was fun, the entire cast from Ms. Marvel is delightful, and Brie Larson is (finally) getting comfortable in the role. I was kinda surprised at how poorly it did, but also kinda not, because fanboys are proving that they really need to see themselves represented or they suddenly develop extremely high standards and demand only groundbreaking entertainment with perfect execution.
The Marvels is a good example of why people are starting to hate Marvel. Unless you’d already watched WandaVision, Cpt. Marvel, and Ms. Marvel you had no idea what was going on. It was like starting in the middle of Avengers Endgame.
I hear you but this one is another in a line of very misguided Sony movies, and the errors made in its production completely undermined both the plot and how it was going to tie into the failing multiverse.
In regards to DC movies, nobody is expecting them to be good for a while yet while they reboot everything. Then Marvel is flagging with several issues but Sony surprises everyone by releasing yet another non-Spiderman Spiderman movie.
Now on top of all that you’re right, sexism is playing into this too, especially from the toxic male fanboy culture, but to me this one was already on extremely shaky ground before it was released.
Say what you want about Miller as a human being, as an actor they did a very good job portraying the same character from 3 different angles.
I really wanted She Hulk to work. It was terrible. Moon Knight wasn’t perfect, but it had some good action and actual dread.
It’s true that female lead movies are judged more harshly, but just because a female lead movie flops isn’t always about the female and is about the movie.
Like DC and the once-unstoppable Marvel, Sony is now finding itself in under the gun to reevaluate how it makes comic book movies.
“Now finding…”? Now?!
NASA spent millions trying to make a pen work in space
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-spent-millions-on-a-pen-able-t/
They (DC) will probably spin this as a teachable moment around “re-evaluating the corporate direction”
Why not read the linked article?
The US spent alledged millions, and when completed the Soviets bought the thing by the container.
Yeah, I’ve heard the retort that the U.S. spent millions on those pens, but the soviets just used pencils… which ignores the problem of the graphite dust that’s created using pencils which can destroy delicate circuits in a spacecraft.
Marvel should use Deadpool 3 as an opportunity to build toward the X-Men movie the franchise deserves. They could use solo movies to hype up the X-Men collaborative movie, just like they did with Avengers.
They could do a Wolverine film, a Rogue & Gambit one, …
Sounds like exactly what happened with the Tom Cruise ‘The Mummy’ movie. We were going to get a Dark Universe, but the flagpole broke.
The Dark Universe failed on it’s first try (2nd if you count the clearly shoeforned Dracula movie). And what did we learn?
The guy chosen to lead the DU was then given the reigns of the entire Star Trek universe going forward. Talk about failing upward
My personal take.
Completely reboot Star Trek. Trash the entire canon. No humanoid aliens at all. Go back to square one
Lol everyone wanted a Cinematic Universe back then.
Now it’s the “Multiverse”.Wonder what the next bandwagon will be
I made another commnet in this thread, so I’m repeating myself [rebooting? lol]
Make new movies with the favorite characters. Call them ‘Alternate Universe’ or whatever. Fans had no problem with a dozen different Batmen, so why not do ‘Captain America : The War Years?’ You could bring in oldies like The Blackhawks, the original Submariner, Union Jack and Agent Axis. Same with Thor in the Middle Ages and Hawkeye/Black Widow/Nick Fury as their younger selves.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Then last week, the critic reviews for Madame Web were posted, and they stung deepest of all — Sony’s Spider-Man spinoff received the lowest average Rotten Tomatoes score (13 percent) of any major superhero film in nearly a decade.
“On Wednesday night, you could actually watch advance purchase sales declining in real time as buyers were refunding their tickets,” marvels a major theatrical chain insider.
Sony’s previous Spider-Man universe movie — 2022’s Morbius — was a critical bust and much-maligned by fanboys online, but at least it managed to earn $170 million worldwide.
Plus, the feature’s collapse doesn’t just impact this film, but a new potential franchise led by star Dakota Johnson that Sony had hoped to spin out (spoiler alert: her character is connected to Peter Parker, whose birth is documented in the movie).
The film introduced a trio of supporting characters (played by Isabela Merced, Celeste O’Connor and Sydney Sweeney — now one of the top stars her age).
Clarkson and starring Johnson as a New York paramedic who develops psychic powers — seemingly took a wise approach: When there are capes and cowls on every metropolis corner, doesn’t it make sense to avoid the usual tropes and try for a more grounded-feeling suspense thriller with low-key charm?
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Time to sell the rights back to Disney, or make some sort of permanent sharing deal for the entire character library with a box office component
I’ve never heard of Madame Web and it has nothing to do with Spider-Man.
There’s only Spider-Man, and that’s it.
Nothing against female leads.
Imo sony took fans take it as granted, its not the first time, they are ruining it, Morbius and venom 2 were critically panned before. The only thing i liked from them at present is Spider-verse animated movies. Such a great movies.
