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    Isn’t this what Michelle Obama tried to do? What would you (or anyone else wanting to pitch in) suggest for policies?

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      Jamie Oliver as well in the UK. People STILL hate him for trying to feed their kids better than they could. The strength of the desire in people to make life worse for themselves and everyone else makes me hate this fucking country.

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        I remember having an argument with a friend about algebra in schools. Her kid was struggling, so she said why does he need to learn it, he can just get a job like hers where it’s not needed. Every other post of hers on Facebook was complaining about her crappy job.

        There’s a strange mentality here that we’re all struggling, but nobody should be doing better. If someone does try, they get called out for it and shamed.

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        The problem with wealthy influencers like him is they always promote expensive food items with meaningless qualifiers. Local, organic, free range, natural etc don’t mean shit when you are broke. Teach people how to make healthy dishes with conventionallly grown foods you can buy at Walmart or whatever because that’s where the people who need help the most shop. Familiar foods, Vegetables. Beans. Rice. Lentils. Chicken. Nuts. Etc. not EVO, spaghetti squash, and “organic” chanterelles.

        The upper middle class people who shop at Whole Foods don’t need a Jamie Oliver. And that’s what his target audience was/is.

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      Make healthy food cheaper and tax junk food heavily. My dad recently moved to Ecuador and he’s eating like a king - fruit is like a 5th of the price there than it is where I am in the US.

      Now I’m not expecting fruit at a 5th of the price lol, but making it reasonably priced at all would be a welcome change.

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        We have to hold the big monopolistic food industries accountable. Look at Hershey’s, they have a ridiculous amount of lead in their chocolate and no one doing anything to push them.

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      Healthy school meals, making healthy food cheaper, taxing junk food, but I think the most helpful would be to heavily limit advertising of junk food, especially advertising to children.

      I really feel like heavy restrictions on advertising would genuinely help with a range of different issues in the modern world.

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        I love the advertising idea, the tax idea idk. Havent they tried taxing junk food and it’s never worked out? Either through general outrage or people circumventing it

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          Yeah, the taxing one is quite controversial and I don’t know if I necessarily agree with it.

          But, the sugar tax in the UK seems to have had a positive impact so far, from what I’ve seen it’s reduced childhood obesity and dental issues.

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            Maybe taxing junk food to specifically and directly subsidize healthy food? Feels like an obvious idea now that I think about it but I can also imagine junk food companies absolutely throwing a fit. Bet it would be popular with the average person though.

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      Start by reversing some of the bullshit decisions Congress made. Like how they decided pizza was a vegetable.

      https://www.thejournal.ie/us-congress-rules-that-pizza-is-a-vegetable-282033-Nov2011/

      It’s a wonder Americans can actually get any good health advice when everything is a marketing gimmick or flat out lie. But when our own government is just rolling over while businesses legally poison the majority of the population is just insane to me. We don’t have to stop individuals making their own choices to fight back against some of this insanity. And proper information is a good starting point. No more deceptive advertising. No more saying your cheese when you’re not. No more “Wyngs” or other bullshit naming only designed to deceive.

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        I think the FTC should crack down on deceptive advertising too.

        No more saying your cheese when you’re not. No more “Wyngs” or other bullshit naming only designed to deceive.

        But these are not the most pressing issues. Call your product whatever name you want, I just want to know exactly what’s in it.

        I agree that calling something “cheese” when it’s “dehydrated oil shreds” or something is deceptive. Saw that today at Whole Foods. No, it’s not healthier; it just doesn’t have dairy.

        Lack of dairy or gluten doesn’t make things healthier. Those ingredients aren’t replaced with air. They’re usually replaced with something that sounds disgusting. But food companies don’t want to put that on the package so they list what it doesn’t have.

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      Michelle Obama’s policies were stupid. Replacing ice cream with low fat ice cream that has more sugar doesn’t help anyone lose weight.

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      the my plate shenanigans was just replacing high calorie density foods with low density foods but obfuscated by using volume as a measurement.

      they did nothing to address food deserts.

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        This meme is saying instead of using shaming as a tactic to help make healthier choices to actually do something and change policies to help everyone achieve a healthier diet. Obviously it won’t reach everyone it’s not perfect, but that’s how I understood it

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    I’ve found that 9 out of 10 calls for “individual action” to solve a societal ail is only solvable by regulating large companies and industry. Most of the time, the companies themselves are the ones funding the campaign for individual action and awareness. ReMEMbEr tO ReCYcLE!

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    It’s so expensive and time consuming to eat healthy, even more expensive if you want quality ingredients.

    Meanwhile, junk food is quick, cheap, and tastes “better” because they just pack it full of sugar or have no regard for nutrition.

    There’s really little incentive to eat healthy unless you’re making a conscious decision to be healthier.

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      Taking a carrot and eating it is faster, easier and more convenient that “fast” food. It can also be thrown around in a bag all day and still taste the same. Same with apples and…

      It is really easy to simply make the decision to not eat shit. You don’t need to be an 8th degree vegan to be healthier.

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        Okay, good luck trying to convince a child of that, or someone who’s in the junk food loop.

        Just eating raw carrots also sounds like a miserable experience, you need to make healthy meals.

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          Getting a child to brush their teeth (or do it for them) is also a constant effort. So what? Just let them rot? Raising children well is not easy, we know that.

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            So we agree, it’s not easy…

            I don’t know if you’ve somehow read my original comment as pro junk food, but it’s not.

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            This is a weird argument. My kids eat carrots. I cut up the baby ones. They also eat chicken nuggets, hot dogs, corn dogs, grapes, apples, butter pasta, and a variety of foods. Simply saying eat a raw vegetable doesn’t really fix the issue.

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              It is a super easy and first step to a more healthy diet. Not more and not less.

              The part about “oh no it is so hard with children” was brought up by someone else.

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        It’s so easy you guys 💁

        Also: Exercising more? That’s easy too-- Instead of not doing exercise, simply do exercise instead.

        Saving money, same thing-- Simply don’t spend it all and you’re good.

        Okay, we’re on fire with these life-changing insights-- What pervasive personal responsibility problem should we do next?

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          The person argues that fast food is somehow cheaper. To me, it is far more expensive.

          They say eating healthy is complicated. It is far easier.

          I never said that switching to vegan is easy. But eating a carrot here and there, an apple, bla… is super easy and cheap.

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            You’re getting down voted because you’re suggesting eating the occasional raw fruit and veggie and writing like that’s a replacement for eating fast food. Maybe if you provided a recipe or a meal idea people would be more receptive.

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              While I did not write that, yes, people seem to think that. Replacing part of what we eat with something healthy is easy and cheap. Not a solution to everything. Not a complete vegan lifestyle.

              Anyway, a recipe etc. is not going to change people. This is a more fundamental issue.

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          Raw carrots are tough but I make a carrot apple shake with some cinnamon 'n shit and it’s delicious. Just Google. Super easy.

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    “Yeah, we should keep shaming parents for childhood obesity! Now, let’s go on with more stimulus for High Fructose Corn Syrup…” 🙄

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    I do feel that parents share a responsibility. Then again, the parents are often also fat, so the cause might go deeper than overfeeding the kid

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    I reccomend reading Ultra-Processed People by Chris Van Tulleken. It explains how modern food is designed to be over consumed. Mind blowing book.