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I thought this trailer looked fantastic, I don’t know what the rest of you all are smoking. As a fallout fan it was more than enough to get me excited for the series, also Walton Goggins as a ghoul chefs kiss.
I don’t want to set the world on fire.
But I will if they fuck this up.
Where were you when we watched Rings of Power?
Where were you when we suffered Wheel of Time?
Ah, ok so I’m broken and don’t have to worry.
I loved both those things.
Then I assume you’ll enjoy the Fallout show no matter what. Did you watch HALO, and if you did - Did you enjoy it?
It’s sad they only made one episode of Halo. I’d have watched a whole series as good as e1.
Well said. And yet you enjoyed the mentioned series? You are an enigma my friend.
Morbius… Good, bad or morbin’ amazing?
I actually haven’t seen it!
Wheel of Time is not bad imo. At least not season 2. The thing with that series is that it’s not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes. I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel, and while the first season didn’t do much for me, with the second one I can actually see the beginnings of something that can become really good. I’m cautiously optimistic about the coming seasons now.
The thing with that series is that it’s not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes.
Completely fair, but when they spend entire episodes on things that could have been easily and faithfully reduced to a 10 minute scene, or spent more than half of the first season on “who’s the dragon? it’s such a mystery!!” when that wasn’t even a plot point of the first book. It’s a fair argument, but not when they completely squandered their available screentime on frivolous things. At that point it’s just a cop-out.
I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel
I get this was the approach of a lot of viewers, but when you have to do personal mental gymnastics to justify liking the way the adaptation was done, then you’ve already admitted that it’s bad. And forget things like the order of events and such. I’m talking about radically changing the world rules, how the One Power works, and characters assassinations. Rand is supposed to be one of the most gentle and caring people alive. To the point that was slowly driving himself mad with trying to keep everyone safe and alive. The effort to do the right thing was breaking him inside and it’s one of the major aspects of his character. And then in the show he murders a guy to get into the hospital where Logain was living. Nope, I have no interest. I have the books and I can enjoy those.
Rings of power was alright once you accepted it’s just a completely different adaptation with no connection to the previous films. And is also not being true to the books to a T. It’s far enough away from the events that I love in that world that I can separate it enough and still enjoy it.
I still would’ve preferred a more page by page adaptation of the Hobbit onwards though, especially the hobbit since it’s my favourite LOTR book.
Rings of power was alright
No it isn’t. It’s terribly written. The speech of Sauron to Galadriel was something a five year old wrote. Galadriel just jumped into the middle of the ocean? Also she took a pyroclastic blast right to the face and doesn’t even have a scratch? Whereas other characters are fully blinded.
And all the changes, which each on their own might be forgivable, but there where just so many that it all added up to something off-feeling and weird. It would be like shifting each note in a Mozart piece by a little in different directions, and then listening to the whole thing wouldn’t be pleasant. This is another one of those things where they made changes for sake of change or to fit a particular story/reveal they wanted to write. Tolkien’s works were already a masterpiece, what was the benefit in changing it? At best it adds absolutely nothing to the final product itself, and at worse just makes the whole legendarium muddied and disjointed.
For example, when the show took place Aman was not cut off from Middle-Earth yet. Specifically because it was cut off after Sauron poisoned the hearts of the Numenoreans and convinced them to attack the Valar and invade Aman. As a punishment Eru Illuvitar sunk Numenor into the sea and made all of Middle-Earth “round”, so that sailing west would just bring them back around to the other side of Middle-Earth. So to get to Aman after that required sailing through a special path that only the Elves knew about, which is what we see in the show. But before the sinking of Numenor, anyone could sail west to Aman. And, IIRC, in the show we actually see a glimpse of Aman in the distance of one of the Numenorean ships. They regularly would see the shores of Aman in the far distance and wonder about it.
So if Aman was only reachable by the secret path, why could the Numenoreans see it from their ships? But in either case, this is a huge change in the lore and order of events. It might not matter to the casual viewer, but to fans of Tolkien (the people who are the hype-men for these kinds of stories, and generally the reason shows like this ultimately get green-lit) it doesn’t make sense and breaks the story.
You might want to re-read what I said cause I agree with a lot of that. Accepting it’s so different that I don’t even consider it a part of lord of the rings is what allowed me to enjoy my time watching it.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to shoot you down or anything. I just really didn’t like Rings of Power. There were things I did like, such as Durin and his wife (although all Durin’s are supposed to be black-haired). But overall I think it’s terrible.
Looks a bit cosplay-y, honestly.
But also I’ve never been into Bethesda Fallout, so I’m already not as much of a target for this one, I suppose.
That was my impression too. The costumes and CG seemed a bit goofy to me. But then again, so did the original Witcher trailer, and that ended-up looking mostly fine when I actually watched it, so…
shrugs
Yeah you’re right Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel is where I think this show should’ve taken its design notes from.
It’s west coast fallout by Bethesda, and I really don’t know how I expect them to handle the established material. I hope they do justice to what’s been written already
I thought it looked pretty good.
That said, I thought the first few seconds right up until Dogmeat started eating the Radroach looked pretty mid. I got really psyched and excited when I saw the BoS power armor
I’m with you. I was excited once I saw the first look photos. They took a lot of care with costume and set design
I didn’t realize Jonathan Nolan was a showrunner. The first season of Westworld was brilliant. And Walton Goggins is good in everything. I’ll give it a shot.
Goggins is what got me on board too.
What the fuck man where the hell did this spring up from? This just started a flame in my heart.
I don’t suppose in your heart you have but one desire?
Is that desire to light a flame in your heart instead of the whole world? You pyromaniac!
You can tell it’s gonna be bad because they forgot to say “war never changes”
I bet you that this will be in the show and narrated by Ron Perlman.
And where are the TUNNEL SNAKES??? HMMMM???
tunnel snakes rule
We’re the tunnel snakes
That’s us
And we rule! Rule! R-r-r-r-rule!
In a tunnel?
Sweet! Well get a season or two and then they’ll cancel it just like they do all the rest of the fan favorites.
That feels more like a Netflix move than an Amazon move.
An expanse tear runs down my cheek.
I’m not sure how that’s meant? Expanse was saved by Amazon and allowed to have enough seasons to tell its story.
… you know it omitted the last three books, right?
The last three books are after a time skip and with a new set of main characters, right?
There’s a 30-year time skip, but the characters are the same.
And ended in the middle of an arc too, iirc.
There’s not enough wackiness in the trailer. Fallout has always had a thin veneer of grimdark with a whole hidden iceberg of goofy bullshit and it was amazing.
I’m getting huge “missing the point” vibes.
There are a lot of reasons to not judge it yet. First and foremost, the director/show runner has zero input on the trailer. That’s all the marketing department, and the trailer is designed to get as many eyeballs as possible on the final product. Numerous examples exist of trailers which bared little resemblance to the movie/show/game/whatever.
Secondly, they buried the lead on the director. Jonathan Nolan did direct much of Westworld. But he also wrote a bunch of award winning films for his brother, Christopher Nolan. Movies like Memento, Interstellar, The Prestige, and Dark Knight. He’s no slouch, and I’ll reserve judgement until I see it.
To back you up, the first Doom Patrol trailers did little justice to how weird that show is.
J. Nolan also did “Person of Interest”. It’s a lesser-known show but it was very good.
It felt like a classic 80s show at first(the hero is a badass supported by an eccentric rich guy to help random people) but, without spoiling it, it takes a very interesting turn.
While i fully agree, a lot of people won’t know what Fallout is, and they kinda have to set the basics first.
With that being said, I question whether Amazon can pull this off.
it’s a trailer, it also has to get the normis
so the cyclops overseer drinking a moldy cup isnt wacky at all?
I don’t want to get my hopes up, but I’m getting my hopes up.
My hopes have definitely gone up after seeing this trailer. I really hope they don’t pull a Witcher.
How do you mod a TV show?
Don’t worry, Toddyboy is on the case!
I mean it can’t be worse than the Halo show, at least this looks decent from the trailer.
Can guarantee it’ll be better than getting mauled by a Deathclaw either way.
We don’t talk about that show
Honestly I can’t wait to watch this. Consider me hyped!
Oh no… The time has come to shit all over two legendary games again… for the second time.
I was not excited for this show until seeing that trailer! Fingers crossed 🤞
Fallout was an aesthetic that told super dark stories. How will a TV capture the vignette of nightmares that are the Vaults?
There’s not really any limits for content anymore. Look at Amazon’s The Boys.
The way you play Fallout / Skyrim / Bethesda games might end up being a perfect format for a television adaption.
You can have a main character and follow their travels in a really strange setting. You can have 1 off episodes with perticular styles much like the quests in the game. You can easily switch from a dark horror filled vault to a campy town the next episode. Kind of like the files would have lighter episodes then some really dark ones and occasionally an episode about the main characters.
Because the fallout universe has a lot to be explored you a smart writing team could do a lot.
TL;DR Gimme Twilight Zone in the wasteland
That could very easily be done, and it’s not especially ‘dark’ anyway.
I mean… you may have missed how episodic television works. Ironic horror antologies have been a thing on TV since the 50s.
I haven’t found a place in my life for these types of TV series. Looks good though just prefer the complete arc of a movie or a mini-series.
Sets look kind of big budget artificial, soapy? Like that is some wicked blue dye on the suits, very fresh. Lovely hair and makeup. All good though I realize it’s just not my thing. A cinematic 90 minute fallout movie laser focused on 2-3 character arcs would be exciting to me.
Yeah it looks like it’s artificial almost on purpose. The vault opening and there’s a neat little skull in the corner…
Tbh I don’t mind shitty adaptations that fan service but I think they are missing the mark on this one. I hope I’m wrong tho.
Yeah the badly planted skull seemed pretty lazy. Just show a blasted landscape
It’s going to be good. I can already tell it has The Boys humor in it and the surprise violence. It will be amazing.
I’m kinda scared that the trailer was knee deep in “from the ____ who did _____ .”
Granted, it’s a teaser trailer, but it would have been cool to see a little more of what this show has to offer. e.g. The Boyz is great, because the story adapted from it’s source material was already interesting. I’d love to learn more about the story of this adaptation, esp since there’s a lot they’d have to do to turn the non linear, choose your own adventure source material into a non-interactive story.
Feels like the showrunners and story writers would have the opposite challenge of, say, The Last of Us. There, it was all about retelling an existing story and resisting the urge to reinvent too much.
Here they’d need to pick one of many stories and fill in a bunch of gaps.
Hope it works out 🤞🙏
Even though each game is a player driven RPG, there’s a canon “through line” of major events from 1 to 2 to New Vegas. 3 and 4 are set far enough away or in a different enough period of time that the plot impact is more minor.
Personally though, I hope this is less of an adaptation and more of a “side stories in the setting”.
From what I’ve read about the series it’s actually set 4 years after Fallout 4 events. So it’s more “side stories in the setting” rather than straight up adaptation.
If it’s an anthology series following different people in different parts of the world dealing with different scenarios then I’m waaay more on board from that than what they showed us in the trailer.
If you’re a fallout fan, you’re already on board. Our viewership is a given, and is theirs to lose. But for people who aren’t big fans, having big names attached shows it’s serious business. It’s meant to convince people on the fence that it’s worth an initial watch since there’s money and names behind it so maybe it’s not just “some dumb low budget video game shit.”
I don’t know. I’ve played every Fallout game (except tactics and that weird PS2/Xbox game) and it won’t even be on my radar until word of mouth confirms it’s good. The moment I saw Todd Howards name my interest plummeted. I’m happy that Bethesda has kept the franchise alive but Fallout 3 and 4 are a whole step below what Black isle/Obsidian created. If the show is going to be based on the Bethesda vision of Fallout then it’s instantly going to be at odds with the fanbase.
Maybe it’ll be good, maybe it won’t. But after the 400+ hours I spent in fo4, I’m willing to commit to another hour to see if the first episode is any good. I’ve spent longer than that hunting for literal trash in-game. :)
