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- digitalmodes@lemmy.radio
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- digitalmodes@lemmy.radio
Bands with a 300 baud rate limitation eliminated by this order are the 160 meter band; 80 meter band; 40 meter band segments 7.000–7.100 MHz and 7.100–7.125 MHz; 30 meter band; 20 meter band segment 14.00–14.15 MHz; 17 meter band segment 18.068–18.110 MHz; 15 meter band segment 21.0–21.2 MHz; and 12 meter band segment 24.89–24.93 MHz. The 10 meter band segment 28.0–28.3 MHz has a 1200 baud rate limitation, which is also lifted.
“Instead, the commission establishes a 2.8 kHz bandwidth limitation in the applicable amateur radio bands,” it said.
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I kind of like this. As a younger ham, I’m more used to thinking of digital transmissions in terms of bitrate (i.e. my Ethernet network is 1 Mbps) and using baud in amateur radio almost feels like an anachronism.
True, but this isn’t really about baud vs bitrate. Bandwidth in this case means frequency spectrum.
The previous law limited baud rate in order to try and limit the spectrum used by a signal. The problem is that assumed a direct relationship between those two things, which isn’t the case as newer more efficient encodings are invented.
The new law directly addresses the spectrum usage allowing bitrate to increase as technology allows. A very good thing for the experimental side of HAM.
That’s basically what I mean. The assumption that baud = bandwidth meant that hams could be penalized for using more efficient digital modes, having a deleterious effect on experimentation with digital modes in bands that were thus restricted. It makes far more sense to limit bandwidth than symbol rate. Who cares how fast your messages are as long as they don’t cause interference?
More efficient digital modes never used high baud rates, though. Often they used surprisingly low baud rates.
As an example, 4GLTE has a maximum baud rate of 15ksym/s
Who cares how fast your messages are as long as they don’t cause interference?
Totally.
Yeah I wasn’t sure if you misunderstood or not from your post, but figured my response might help other readers.
The experimental side of ham radio was never affected, as modern digital modes use low-symbol-rate multicarrier modulation, never high symbol rate bilevel codes, due to multipath effects on short symbols.
This limits total data rate in a way the baud limit never did.
On HF, unfortunately, physics is going to keep you from having high speed data. The Shannon–Hartley theorem puts a ceiling on the maximum bitrate of a channel in the presence of noise. If you are on HF with your 100w transceiver and a dipole antenna, your signals are always going to be weak enough on the other end of a skywave contact to limit your data throughput. Even given a magical ham prodigy that invents the best mode imaginable, it’s going to be Kbps, not Mbps. If you want to learn about the development of open source, higher throughput digital modes for HF, I highly recommend David Rowe’s blog on the development of FreeDV over the years. There’s even a recent move to general data in addition to digital voice. However, we are talking about single digit Kbps digital. There are some other modems used by the Winlink folk that are a little higher. The drop of the baudrate limit will just remove an artificial contraint, and headache, on that development.
On line-of-sight VHF and up connections, it gets easier and easier as you have higher gain antennas pointed at each other and lower natural noise figures.
I’m excited to see the new digital modes people bring to ham radio, or invent.
personally, I think the limit should’ve been higher, at least 5 kHz, when the AM Phone guys are occupying 10 to 15 kHz with their hi-fi broadcast set ups.
And a hard bandwidth limit really does limit total data rate, the symbol rate limit didn’t - exactly the opposite effect that the loud anti-baudrate-limit people wanted
Bandwidth doesn’t put a hard limit on bitrate either. It’s one variable, but there’s also SNR (See Shannon). With a fixed bandwidth, you can have low bitrate and excellent low-SNR performance (think of Olivia), or you can have higher bitrates, and require stronger signals. For practical purposes though, you are not going to get highspeed internet on HF. But that’s what sharing is like. 🤷♂️
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