Pros: As an effect of him writing the script in the 90s, the movie feels like a 90s movie with modern fx.
Cons: As an effect of him writing the script in the 90s, the movie feels like a 90s movie, with ancient overdone tropes, including the racist ones.
oh come on, what racist tropes now?
I mean the Na’vi are an infantilized hodgepodge of several shallow stereotypes of indigenous people precision designed to be sexy so the lowest common denominator sympathizes with them. The commenter may be referring to that.
what stereotypes are these, for example?
- The manner in which they talk
- the lack of technology greater than bows and arrows
- all plants and animals are treated as sacred
- outsiders are not welcome
- clothing that only covers up the naughty bits
The Na’vi are basically native American stereotypes in every conceivable way, except blue and have tails.
Is that not all true even for some tribes today? I don’t mean native American, but for example look at the people on Sentinel Island or similar - I think this is what they were going for with the NaVi
Is that not all true even for some tribes today?
No.
this is what humans were like for thousands of years, how is it racist to make characters based on that?
There must have been some primitive tribes that were nihilistic nothing is scared, did slash and burn farming, and animal torture.
We’re literally in decade four of people underestimating James Cameron
I’m assuming the sequel is also forgettable considering that I’ve barely heard a thing about the plot.
The plot is FUCK YOU THIS WHALE IS GONNA RIP SOME GUYS ARM OFF IN 3D AND IT’S FUCKING DOPE
Oshit I guess I better watch it.
All joking aside, the pissed off whale is a great character, and its story beats land as solidly as its angry attacks.
It has a plot?
No no no no, it doesn’t just have a plot. It has the same plot even with all the same protagonists and antagonists.
Someone better get him out of his sub the air is making him a bit loopy enough to think avatar 2 is a good plot
Dances with FernGully except there’s no Tim Curry.
Or Robin Williams
yo wtf adult me has been sleeping on fern gully
Toxic Love is a banger and it was written by Thomas Dolby who is best known for She Blinded me with Science.
The sequel is literally “the exact same movie as the first one, but this time with water (and bonus animal cruelty)”
I actually enjoyed the first one, but the second movie added nothing of value and cheapened everything that happened in the first one (in that literally no one gives a shit about unobtanium anymore)
Edit: Curious as to what the downvoters are taking issue with about my comment. Nothing wrong with liking the movie, but you have to admit the plot was basically identical to the first one, just with new characters and a different setting
I forgot/possibly never knew Avatar 2 had come out
It was good, really enjoyable in 3D Imax.
It’s beautiful, but the story is weak af and it takes an hour too long to look at water
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Yeah. But not for 2 hours
I feel like it would’ve been better with only the water stuff. Just take the bad guys out completely. Just have it be the story of the Sully family being accepted into a new tribe. There was still plenty of conflict to focus on.
Me being charitable: if you enjoyed the first you are most likely going to enjoy the second. If you are over the age of 12 and have seen more than 8 movies in your life you are probably not going to enjoy it.
My wife and I started watching the second avatar and we turned it off about 90 minutes in, just couldn’t be bothered to care or watch it any more. And we never finished it. What a piece of crap
Watched it in IMAX 3d with my kid. It ruled, so much fun to watch. Will never watch it again though, and certainly never at home. That defeats the entire purpose.
We even went to a new “4D” room where the seats moved, you got wind and mist etc. It’s like a thrill ride at that point almost.
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Not lasting 10 minutes into a movie doesn’t really say much about the movie
I don’t know a single person who’s ever seen it
I don’t know how it made so much money. I guess people are seeing it and not talking about it?
This is precisely it. Avatar had originally the exact same problem that the Way of the Water has now. They’re tech demos. Interesting, pretty, they move people to see what’s what on the theater. But, offer close to nothing emotionally or culturally resonant. It’s like a generic roller-coaster, you show up, enjoy the ride, then go get some fries having nothing deeper to say about the experience because the experience doesn’t offer anything deep. It doesn’t mean the movies are bad or that they weren’t enjoyable, that’s why they made so much money. But there’s no conversation to have around them except to remark on how much they cost to make, or how did the CGI looked like or whether other studios will use the tech invented for this movie on other movies. Plot, characters and symbolism are shallow pools. Specially to an audience that is sick and tired of mega blockbuster sequels.
Hi, nice to meet you. You missed nothing.
Made three out of the top four grossing movies of all time.
I don’t really like any of them, but you can’t argue with the results. The man knows how to put bums on cinema seats.
It was such a bad movie too. Dude was really just like “let’s remake the first movie, but wetter”
Wait for the next sequel, “let’s remake both movies, but hotter”
And then, “Let’s remake them all, but earthier”
The studio execs are reading along and thinking, “at 2 billion each, you bet I will!”
And no character arcs for anyone. Well except for Quarich, he was literally the only reason to see the movie and even his character was boring as shit.
I’ve always called bullshit on the second movie making that much damn money. There’s no way. Not nearly that many people cared about it at all, I seriously think somebody faked that attendance.
Take your meds.
The franchise is huge in China. Just because your group didn’t like it doesn’t mean they are faking anything
I smoked cannabis prior to watching the second movie and was still unimpressed.
Should have done acid
That probably would have made it worse though
Agh does the world need yet another religion?
All jokes aside, I think there was a mini religion for a while after the first movie came out.
Definitely I remember it. Also remember thinking you could just watch professional women’s volleyball instead. Bunch of skinny attractive people jumping around and not one of them are blue.
Im apparently the only person on the face of mother earth who genuinely liked the first movie… I did, no really. But the second one literally had nothing of interest in it. It looked the same, sounded the same, had the same characters and all that, but the movie when nowhere for 3 hours. I dont think I can ever sit through it again.
That isnt true. My six year old liked the first movie.
I mean it’s more Fern Gully than pure Pocahontas.
So it may have taken 13 years to come back with a sequel that no one asked for and no one expected. But at least he gave us something. Unlike a certain South African director that shall remain nameless…3 years my ass…
I’m out of the loop, is this about Blomkamp?
Yes, where is my god damn District 9 sequel?
Also: deep sea explorer done right and not implode himself by sparing expense.
Wasn’t it blue Dances With Wolves?
More like Smurfs with Ferngully
Last of the Smurfhicans
@Spaghetti_Hitchens @The_Picard_Maneuver for think so
He can’t keep getting away with it!
I feel like there was a good movie in Avatar 2 but a lot of the scenes looked like they didn’t render them fully. The FPS changes felt random. If they’d done ALL action in 48 and ALL dialogue in 24 it wouldn’t have been as bad.
The scenes of the kids rescuing the parents were so gorgeous. Stunning. But compare that to the scene of the boat jumping and crashing? Insane how shitty it looked.
Adaptive framerate
It really did feel like a laggy videogame the way the frame rate and graphics would change so randomly.
There are quite a few more sequels in planning
it’s up to five films total, now. the remaining three with tentative release dates stretching from 2025 to 2031. cameron has a plan for a further two more but disney hasn’t committed past the fifth one—yet
Avatar 3: The Way of Earth
Avatar 4: The Way of Fire
Avatar 5: The Last
AirbenderAvatarAvatar 5: way of the stayin alive ha ha ha staying alive
